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Old 07-17-2013, 12:48 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Let's see 20 & 10 (on 50+% shooting) from JV for ONE season before we start making comparisons.

Don't get me wrong... I like JV a lot.... but people to slow the hell down.
he was good for us yes, but a lot of times he didn't play well enough on defence to be considered a true dominant star. He does it now with the heat, but that's irrelevent. for us he didn't dig in and play grind it out D, or he seldom did. and don't bring blocks or whatever into the equation, you know defence is about more than that.

JV I think can be dominant on BOTH ends for us, that I think is the difference.


(before ripping my post to shreds remember that I in most cases defend Bosh and what he did for us on here)
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Old 07-17-2013, 01:22 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Thank you.

Let's see 20 & 10 (on 50+% shooting) from JV for ONE season before we start making comparisons.

Don't get me wrong... I like JV a lot.... but people to slow the hell down.
He doesn't need to average 20 and 10 to be a better player than Bosh. Marc Gasol averaged 15 8 4 and 2 this year and had arguably a better season than Boshs 24 and 10 year, because the game is played on 2 sides of the ball. Bosh was an average at best defender with the Raptors, when most knew he was capable of more. Obviously in having to carry the team offensively, he wasnt fully committed to the defensive end or he would have died out half way through the season, which is on him, the GM for not putting a better team around him, and the crappy coaching we've had in this organization for a long time.

For JV to get to Bosh's level, he needs to be a pure low post presence on offence who commands double teams, he needs to stay efficient in terms of shooting over 50+ and 75+ from the FT line, and the biggest thing for him is going to be defending the pick and roll and rebounding. He needs to learn to control the game on the defensive end, which will obviously take 2-3 more years.

As a center, if JV gets to a level where hes averaging 17+10+2 on good percentages and anchors our team defence, I think you can safely say he has surpassed Boshs prime as a player, because again, Bosh only played one side of the ball when he was at his best due to the reasons mentioned above. Will JV ever get to that level? Who knows, but I like what hes shown so far in terms of work ethic and his overall game.
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Old 07-17-2013, 01:25 PM   #63 (permalink)
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he was good for us yes, but a lot of times he didn't play well enough on defence to be considered a true dominant star. He does it now with the heat, but that's irrelevent. for us he didn't dig in and play grind it out D, or he seldom did. and don't bring blocks or whatever into the equation, you know defence is about more than that.
Exactly. He's able to focus more on defence now with being the 3rd option on offence and not having to expend all of his energy on keeping his team afloat by scoring the ball. Bosh couldnt have found a better situation to improve his overall game. He couldn't be the guy to do both over an 82 game season consistently, his body just wasn't made for that type of punishment.
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Old 07-17-2013, 01:34 PM   #64 (permalink)
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to be fair to bosh, his ceiling was super high too, he just never reached it. He could have been as good or nearly as good as KG based on his body type and skills. So you either compare Bosh now with JV now, or what Bosh could have been with JV may still become.

and that's one thing about players like JV and Drummond, while their ceilings are very high, most people never reach or surpass it. It takes a special kind of dedication to do it (think kobe). Luckily for us and detroit, both seem to be willing and passionate.

For some reason, I'm not quite as high on JV anymore. I still think he can and will be great, but he will have to do it through skill, not through physical abilities which are not that impressive (for an elite center that is). He's not super tall, super strong, super quick or has massive hops. He's just very good at all those and as Duncan showed, you can dominate without excelling in the physical department.
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Old 07-17-2013, 03:28 PM   #65 (permalink)
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AS VEGAS - Big guys can drive general managers crazy. Until someone finds out how to genetically engineer seven-footers, you'll have to pay a premium to acquire prized ones. You'll have to draft them high when they're raw and invest in them. You'll tolerate a degree of zaniness, immaturity or combustibility if you think they'll be able to help on the inside.

The list of center prospects who have been selected in the lottery and flamed out is disproportionately long. There are also a number of All-Star big men who needed a few years to adjust to the NBA's speed and physicality. Teams will take fliers on those who have failed elsewhere, and before that they'll do everything in their power to get to know these guys early to figure out how good they want to be.

"We say a lot of big guys are pushed to play because they're tall and sometimes that's a big question," Toronto Raptors general manager Masai Ujiri tells SB Nation.

Ujiri is speaking from a position of strength on the matter. When he took over the Raptors in late May, Ujiri inherited an honest-to-goodness starting-caliber 21-year-old seven-footer with star potential.



He's giving all the effort, he never complains, he never really bitches.-Masai Ujiri on Jonas Valanciunas

"With Jonas, it's never a question. He loves to play the game and that's huge," Ujiri says. "He works hard, you don't have to tell him twice. He's giving all the effort, he never complains, he never really bitches. It's all about basketball and that's great to see."

Ujiri was running the Denver Nuggets during Valanciunas' rookie season last year, but it's not as if he had lots to learn about the Lithuanian upon his arrival.

"I know him from head to toe, I think, and I love him," Ujiri says, recalling European scouting trips when Valanciunas played for Lietuvos Rytas.

It's easy to share the enthusiasm, mainly because Valanciunas plays with so much of it. When he misses a shot or a rotation, you'll see it on his face. Then, you'll see him try to make up for it. For years, scouts have taken note of his energy, how he covers ground on defense, demands attention rolling to the rim and seeks contact in the paint. In today's NBA, big men don't need to be able to make their free throws to make eight figures a year. Valanciunas does all the things they're required to do, plus he excels from the line at no additional cost -- at least for now.

The version of Valanciunas on display at NBA Summer League is looking just like the one we saw late in his rookie campaign, only stronger. After averaging 15.1 points, 7.3 rebounds and 1.9 blocks per game and shooting 63.4 percent from the field and 85.4 percent from the free throw line in the season's final month, he went to work on his upper body.

In Las Vegas, Valanciunas is outmuscling opponents with ease. It's to the point where Raptors head coach Dwane Casey says he needs to make sure he doesn't get so bulky that it slows him down.




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"Just look at him," Toronto forward Quincy Acy says. "It's just a testament to his hard work. He's been fun to be around. We worked out together before practice a lot our rookie year. That was fun, too, to see him work hard and he's still out there getting big minutes. It just says a lot about him as a person and how passionate he is about the game and getting better."

Through three games on the summer squad, Valanciunas has averaged 20 points and 9.3 rebounds and has made 24 of his 27 free throw attempts. He's committed turnovers and fouls too often, but might still be the best player in Vegas. The Raptors are trying to feed him down low, something they did with increased regularity as last season wound down and will continue doing next season.

"Every time I get the ball in the post, I get some experience from that," Valanciuncas says. "I'm trying to use that experience. I'm trying to learn as much as I can."

Casey wants Valanciunas to spend time guarding players four or five inches shorter than him before the season starts so he's prepared for the league's most athletic bigs. He also wants him to improve his awareness -- "He works so hard at running, he sometimes loses sight of the ball coming behind him or where the ball is," Casey says of his transition defense -- and simply get more reps in before he joins the Lithuanian national team for Eurobasket 2013 in Slovenia.

Valanciunas stands out in Summer League. The other big men his size can't move like he does. The ones who hustle like him don't have his skills. It's this rare combination, plus his love for the game, that made him a top-5 draft pick. What he's showing now is thanks to a year of adjusting to NBA personnel and terminology, getting comfortable in Toronto and working like mad to improve his frame and his game. He's looking dominant, as his talent and size suggest he should. The idea now is to build on last season and this summer, and be consistent over the course of 82 games.
Jonas Valanciunas continues on the track to stardom - SBNation.com
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Old 07-18-2013, 04:44 AM   #66 (permalink)
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When is the last time we had a legit post player? One that will not settle for face up jumper but will muscle his way to the hoop. Or pass from double team
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