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Old 12-01-2012, 04:33 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Yea that's why we should package Bargs and DD for Cousins and maybe even Evans if we add some filler. Sign more vets and i think we would be watchable without the agony.
LOL Demarcus Cousins?

He's great but he's a giant headcase.
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Old 12-01-2012, 04:40 PM   #22 (permalink)
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who would make Bargs look like a pancake in the paint if he could be found in there
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Old 12-01-2012, 04:41 PM   #23 (permalink)
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im glad he's a headcase lets see how good of a coach Casey actually is. Since i guess we both agree that cousins is tough as nails?
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Old 12-01-2012, 04:46 PM   #24 (permalink)
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what i mean is i think Casey is still coaching Bargs how to fight through a screen in clutch time. Dont get me wrong Bargs is not a bad player but he doesn't have the heart to win he still quits on plays and is so lackadaisical i find it annoying to watch.
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Old 12-01-2012, 05:20 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Yea that's why we should package Bargs and DD for Cousins and maybe even Evans if we add some filler. Sign more vets and i think we would be watchable without the agony.
SAK doesn't do that trade.
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Old 12-02-2012, 03:46 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Yeah, let's just attack the messenger instead of actually seeing that he has a point. I agree with Kelly 100%. You can't win when Bargs is your "star" player.
That's a team problem. Bargs isn't being paid to be the "star" player. There are probably 60 players in the NBA being paid more than him. In fact, I would argue that he's being paid fairly. The problem here is that he's expected to be the number 1 option on the team. If the team had Lowry, Bargs, and two studs as starters, the complaints about Bargnani would be far less.
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Old 12-02-2012, 03:53 PM   #27 (permalink)
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SAK doesn't do that trade.
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Old 12-02-2012, 10:43 PM   #28 (permalink)
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That's a team problem. Bargs isn't being paid to be the "star" player. There are probably 60 players in the NBA being paid more than him. In fact, I would argue that he's being paid fairly. The problem here is that he's expected to be the number 1 option on the team. If the team had Lowry, Bargs, and two studs as starters, the complaints about Bargnani would be far less.
This times 100000

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Old 12-03-2012, 03:17 AM   #29 (permalink)
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That's a team problem. Bargs isn't being paid to be the "star" player. There are probably 60 players in the NBA being paid more than him. In fact, I would argue that he's being paid fairly. The problem here is that he's expected to be the number 1 option on the team. If the team had Lowry, Bargs, and two studs as starters, the complaints about Bargnani would be far less.
I agree that it's not just Bargnani, the whole team is struggling right now, but I still don't understand the money issue here. What's your point? Bargnani isn't paid enough to be truly efficient?

Also, I don't think people expect him to be the number 1 option on the offence; to me though it's kind of the issue here, he actually is the number 1 option, but mostly because he's shooting every time he gets the ball. So the night he has trouble finding the basket he is nearly useless to the team, except maybe the fact that he improved his defence lately.
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Bargs is 6-7M per year max on any other team in the nba. Look at anderson, he boards and shoots, and is what 6'10? What is his contract lookin like
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Bargs is 6-7M per year max on any other team in the nba. Look at anderson, he boards and shoots, and is what 6'10? What is his contract lookin like
look around the league and see who's making 6-7 million then come back and eat your shoe cause you said this...

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Old 12-03-2012, 06:57 AM   #32 (permalink)
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There are only 40 players in whole NBA actually who get paid as much or more than Bargnani (note he will be getting 1mil more next year and another 1min year after). Discard from that few teams with huge overcap like Nets, Lakers, Heat etc and you get basically one player per team. Those players are supposed to be superstars and team leaders. What is Bargnani?
With 5M $ being NBA's avg yearly paycheck and italian being just slightly bit above avg I'd say he deserves 6M or so, really not the 12M he'll be getting in 2015.
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Lol @ Bargs and DD for cousins...do they want to be hosed with warm or cold water?
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Old 12-03-2012, 08:22 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Look at the games they won or tied after 48. He played 30 minutes or less in all but one. Why does he need the extra minutes just because there aren't enough stars to supplant him? Give him 25-30 minutes per game, unless he's playing one of those 13 specials, and there you have your alternative to sending him packing. If he doesn't accept that sort of role, then send him packing.

You have two teams here. The team with players that can somewhat compliment Andrea, and the team with roles that could be defined more clearly without needing to consider what is needed while Bargnani is on the floor. I think they need to close the gap between the two as much as possible, and look for Bargnani to better compliment whatever 4 guys are on the court with him as they move forward. It's important that this team start to define itself, with or without the big guy, and stop defining itself for the sake of the big guy. The status quo is a no go.
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Bargs is 6-7M per year max on any other team in the nba. Look at anderson, he boards and shoots, and is what 6'10? What is his contract lookin like
You could say every player on this team is overpaid.
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Look at the games they won or tied after 48. He played 30 minutes or less in all but one. Why does he need the extra minutes just because there aren't enough stars to supplant him? Give him 25-30 minutes per game.
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