Casey's offence ISO ISO ISO...Can it last?
Old 02-14-2013, 05:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Notice when we started turning things around with Calderon we were sharing the ball and creating plays?

Have you noticed the last 5-6 games the offence has become PURE isolation...How long can something like that last? When was the last time we ran a pick and roll for any big? The offence is becoming lazy. Give it to Rudy in an ISO, over and over again. This doesn't do Rudy any favours if he has a cold shooting night like last night. I think it's become pretty clear Casey has no idea how to run an offence at all..He runs the most inefficient plays.. We can hardly even execute a proper inbounds play. On top of this, Bargnani has been completely removed from any offensive scheme, which def doesn't help his trade value at all. Put him out there back to back nights and he took a total of 8 shots and just floating with his hands up waiting to get involved in the offence. And it's not just Bargnani who doesn't get touches, so to speak, it's all our bigs. Have there been any plays run for Jonas? Does Amir get a touch that's deliberate? I don't think you can blame Bargnani for not producing when he only takes 1 shot in the entire game. When your team runs consistent ISOs for Alan Anderson, you start to wonder if Casey has anything else in his arsenal of offensive schemes..

It's pretty much streetball, pass it to me, back off fadeaway..This won't last.

Just an observation I would pass along.
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So essentially.... you're mad because someone other than Bargs is going 1-on-1?
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I have a feeling that Casey is no different than Mike Brown. Both have no idea on offense. The latter is that he has an assistant coach who's responsible for offense - Kuester back in Cleveland and Jordan in L.A. which miserably failed.

As for Casey, I don't know. If he's indeed a "defensive-specialist" coach, I think he should get an assistant coach who's going to be an offensive coordinator.
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the problem is we're not good enough offensively to continue playing shit on d. The FG% that opponents get now is constantly 50 +. What happened to the d from last season? I'm not really seeing Casey's ability as a defensive-minded coach and he's average at best in terms of his offense.
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Old 02-14-2013, 07:19 PM   #7 (permalink)
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TBH i've noticed it too. Although Lowry does show proper ball movement from time to time. Especially when playing with Amir. Last night was different because Lowry didn't have our best pick and roll PF (Amir) starting. Therefore, you saw more ISOs and our offense struggled a bit more than usual because of it. We're never going to be the same Caldy lead offensive team. But I think a good balance of ball movement and ISO plays would be smart. Remember Rudy is more than a willing passer when the play is there to be made.

You're also failing to take into account that this is a completely different ball club with Rudy in the mix. A completely new team that has not had enough practice time, let alone a training camp to discover, learn and apply what offensive sets work best.

All that considered...i would not make a big deal out of it. I'm sure the coaches notice the same thing and are looking to improve it both this year and this coming summer.

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It is true everything is becoming pick and post up for rudy. Even before Rudy came, our offense consisted of similar iso plays and the exact same screen curl play for DeRozan.. Although we don't have much play calls, our team does do a good job spacing the floor and finding the open 3 ball.

Still.. In crucial situations, you need to be able to draw good plays to seal the game.
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the problem is we're not good enough offensively to continue playing shit on d. The FG% that opponents get now is constantly 50 +. What happened to the d from last season? I'm not really seeing Casey's ability as a defensive-minded coach and he's average at best in terms of his offense.
The team is giving up less than 94 ppg since the trade. While 2 teams have shot over 50% (Miami and Denver), the team has also held 2 opponents below 40% (LAC at 34.7% and NYK at 35.4%).

The team is also averaging almost 2 more steals per game since the trade, which is leading to more easy buckets and fastbreak points.

There are some positives so far. Having more athletes and tougher players on the team definitely has led to an improvement in defensive efficiency.
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Old 02-14-2013, 08:49 PM   #10 (permalink)
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It kills me to watch it. You can only watch a big set a pick, roll to the basket with his hands up, and get no touch so many times before it starts to make you freak out.

We need to get our bigs involved on offence - both for the scoring and so that they're more motivated on the other end.
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I like the raps defencive intensity as of late as has been mentioned. However you have to see that running guys like Anderson and Rudy off ISO 24/7 is not the best answer. The offense seems discombabulated at times as they have stellar plays followed by random ISOs or shots within 5-10 seconds into the shot clock... i dont like this offense mentality it needs to be refined ALOT
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Our offense is a lot easier on the eyes than the Lakers'. And I'm not talking Mike Brown's Lakers.

It took the Heat a full year to get beyond relying on isos. We just inserted a completely new first option, and lost two guys pretty intrinsic to making everything run smoothly. It will take a little time. And even then, only against stiffer defenses. There really is nothing to complain about at this point.
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TBH i've noticed it too. Although Lowry does show proper ball movement from time to time. Especially when playing with Amir. Last night was different because Lowry didn't have our best pick and roll PF (Amir) starting. Therefore, you saw more ISOs and our offense struggled a bit more than usual because of it. We're never going to be the same Caldy lead offensive team. But I think a good balance of ball movement and ISO plays would be smart. Remember Rudy is more than a willing passer when the play is there to be made.

You're also failing to take into account that this is a completely different ball club with Rudy in the mix. A completely new team that has not had enough practice time, let alone a training camp to discover, learn and apply what offensive sets work best.

All that considered...i would not make a big deal out of it. I'm sure the coaches notice the same thing and are looking to improve it both this year and this coming summer.
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The team is giving up less than 94 ppg since the trade. While 2 teams have shot over 50% (Miami and Denver), the team has also held 2 opponents below 40% (LAC at 34.7% and NYK at 35.4%).

The team is also averaging almost 2 more steals per game since the trade, which is leading to more easy buckets and fastbreak points.

There are some positives so far. Having more athletes and tougher players on the team definitely has led to an improvement in defensive efficiency.
All that stuff is fine, but you don't win games when they count shooting jumpers. THAT, is as old as the game itself.
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So far we're 5-2 in the Gay era. We were 16-30 before that.

Maybe there's fewer pick and rolls and more ISO's than when we had Calderon but we do have plays and sequences where we share the ball quite nicely, our defense and all around play is unquestionably better and we are much better as a team with Gay.

As for the abundance of ISO's - give me a team that isolates a lot and plays solid defence over a fluid offensive team that can't guard a chair anyday. We need to let our core gel a bit; they'll be fine on O. Rudy has proven that he's an ISO machine in crunch time.
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With Raptors being one of the youngest team in the NBA. We should run tons of picks and off the ball plays. I'm not talking about 1 player going on tons of picks just to get a tough jumper (derozan's plays). I'm talking about multiple picks for multiple players making the defense work and keeping our options in offense wide open! So far, the only ball movement we can generate is if we ISO either Gay or Derozan when there's a mismatch and then the opposing team double teams. Again, we need a big that could draw double team so we can move that ball and find the open man.
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So far we're 5-2 in the Gay era. We were 16-30 before that.
ummm... this

And its pick n roll.

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With Raptors being one of the youngest team in the NBA. We should run tons of picks and off the ball plays. I'm not talking about 1 player going on tons of picks just to get a tough jumper (derozan's plays). I'm talking about multiple picks for multiple players making the defense work and keeping our options in offense wide open! So far, the only ball movement we can generate is if we ISO either Gay or Derozan when there's a mismatch and then the opposing team double teams. Again, we need a big that could draw double team so we can move that ball and find the open man.
agreed, i'd like to see some more off ball picks set
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I think a mixture of pick & roll/pop, iso's & screens will develop soon. This team is still feeling each other out give it some time.
What there doing is working right now.
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