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Old 03-09-2012, 11:03 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I think we're trading the pick. When Casey says we don't need any more young guys it's a clear indication that we're trading the pick.
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Old 03-09-2012, 11:04 AM   #22 (permalink)
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True, but will Dallas be a better team with Deron and Dirk than Toronto with Deron, AB, JV, youngish wings, lottery pick and Jose as a backup?
...Probably, yeah.
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Old 03-09-2012, 11:05 AM   #23 (permalink)
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That is HIGHLY debatable. Also - how long do you think their main guys (basically, Dirk) have left?
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Old 03-09-2012, 11:07 AM   #24 (permalink)
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True, but will Dallas be a better team with Deron and Dirk than Toronto with Deron, AB, JV, youngish wings, lottery pick and Jose as a backup?
C'mon Mike... I think you know the answer to that.

Once Deron and Dirk are confirmed, role players will be lining up to sign there.

I'm sure in Deron's mind the Raps = The Nets. If he wants his own team then he'll just stay put.
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Old 03-09-2012, 11:11 AM   #25 (permalink)
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C'mon Mike... I think you know the answer to that.

Once Deron and Dirk are confirmed, role players will be lining up to sign there.
I doubt highly that's going to be enough.

Look, I am not saying Deron is ready to play in Canada. But let's assume for a second that Raptors are located in Miami, OK?

You are Deron. You have a choice of playing with aging Dirk and a bunch of role players in Dallas vs. playing with AB, a very promising young centre, another high draft pick, solid youngsters like DD and JJ and an established backup in Jose.

Look at the age and existing talent. Consider how unlikely it's going to be getting a high pick for a team with Deron and Dirk. Still think Dallas is the obvious choice?
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I doubt highly that's going to be enough.

Look, I am not saying Deron is ready to play in Canada. But let's assume for a second that Raptors are located in Miami, OK?

You are Deron. You have a choice of playing with aging Dirk and a bunch of role players in Dallas vs. playing with AB, a very promising young centre, another high draft pick, solid youngsters like DD and JJ and an established backup in Jose.

Look at the age and existing talent. Consider how unlikely it's going to be getting a high pick for a team with Deron and Dirk. Still think Dallas is the obvious choice?
So you're telling me all we have to do is move the team to Miami? Genius! Why didn't we think of this before?!

Don't discount the fact that the prospect of playing with both Dirk AND Dwight would definitely be enticing to Deron. Much more enticing than playing with DeMar and Andrea.
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So you're telling me all we have to do is move the team to Miami? Genius! Why didn't we think of this before?!

Don't discount the fact that the prospect of playing with both Dirk AND Dwight would definitely be enticing to Deron. Much more enticing than playing with DeMar and Andrea.
I was discussing relative merits of the rosters, genius.

If (and that's a huge if) Dallas manages to add both Howard and Deron to Dirk, that would be no contest.
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I was discussing relative merits of the rosters, genius.

If (and that's a huge if) Dallas manages to add both Howard and Deron to Dirk, that would be no contest.
I don't think it would be that big of a stretch for Dallas to land both Dwight and Deron. Both players apparently have a lot of interest in playing there, so that won't be a problem.

Mark Cuban is just going to have to do his best Pat Riley impression this off-season and clear up some more space.
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Old 03-09-2012, 11:28 AM   #29 (permalink)
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I don't think it would be that big of a stretch for Dallas to land both Dwight and Deron. Both players apparently have a lot of interest in playing there, so that won't be a problem.

Mark Cuban is just going to have to do his best Pat Riley impression this off-season and clear up some more space.
I doubt very much teams would be lining up to help.

But if they do, and the process of forming super-teams continues, pretty soon the rest of the league should just go on strike and let Miami, Dallas and NY play the season among themselves.
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I doubt highly that's going to be enough.

Look, I am not saying Deron is ready to play in Canada. But let's assume for a second that Raptors are located in Miami, OK?

You are Deron. You have a choice of playing with aging Dirk and a bunch of role players in Dallas vs. playing with AB, a very promising young centre, another high draft pick, solid youngsters like DD and JJ and an established backup in Jose.

Look at the age and existing talent. Consider how unlikely it's going to be getting a high pick for a team with Deron and Dirk. Still think Dallas is the obvious choice?
To be perfectly honest? If I were Deron I'd be thinking... "OK. These guys have been shit for years. They had a star there in Bosh before and did a crap job of building around him. They always seem to have a hard time attracting FAs. They're a soft team that no one really respects. If I go to Dallas Dirk's there and I know that Mark's committed to winning."

No contest really.

JV is almost a total unknown and I'd be shocked if Deron even knows who DD and JJ are. The only players of note here right now are Bargs and Jose.... and I just don't think that they're enough to entice players to come.

That's my honest opinion.
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To be perfectly honest? If I were Deron I'd be thinking... "OK. These guys have been shit for years. They had a star there in Bosh before and did a crap job of building around him. They always seem to have a hard time attracting FAs. They're a soft team that no one really respects. If I go to Dallas Dirk's there and I know that Mark's committed to winning."

No contest really.

JV is almost a total unknown and I'd be shocked if Deron even knows who DD and JJ are. The only players of note here right now are Bargs and Jose.... and I just don't think that they're enough to entice players to come.

That's my honest opinion.
Well, if you are right... And I am not saying you are wrong...

Then what I've been saying on another thread about tanking at all costs is doubly true. Then this team will not attract a major FA until it's really, really good, which kinda defeats the purpose, really.
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LOL @ NYK being a super team.
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LOL @ NYK being a super team.
Well, at least on paper...
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Old 03-09-2012, 12:30 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Not really, people could see that they sacrificed a lot of depth for their "super team" and still need a decent PG (luckily they have Lin + Baron). BUT they are still DEFINITELY BEHIND Miami,Chicago,Orlando (if they keep Dwight of course) and Indiana.
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I doubt highly that's going to be enough.

Look, I am not saying Deron is ready to play in Canada. But let's assume for a second that Raptors are located in Miami, OK?

You are Deron. You have a choice of playing with aging Dirk and a bunch of role players in Dallas vs. playing with AB, a very promising young centre, another high draft pick, solid youngsters like DD and JJ and an established backup in Jose.

Look at the age and existing talent. Consider how unlikely it's going to be getting a high pick for a team with Deron and Dirk. Still think Dallas is the obvious choice?
so you're saying that when faced with a choice of playing with andrea and playing with dirk, deron should choose Andrea?

I know all fans overvalue their own players and we tend to look at potential and what not, but Demar, JJ, Davis and JV are probably of no consequence to a guy like Deron. He needs talent that's able to win now, not in 3-4 years. None of those 4 players are even started calibre yet, and they may or may not even reach that level in their future career.

In Dallas you have Dirk, Marion, Terry, Kidd, Carter and Delonte who are savvy, proven veterans and you have an owner with deep pockets.

The Raptors are not ready to compete, with or without deron, we're still at least 2 years away. No nba veteran will come here willingly.
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You actually don't have all those players under contract next season...

I envision the mavs trying to deal Marion, getting rid of Beaubois+ D.Jones for a pick to save capspace and amnestying Haywood. That leaves only Dirk + Marion/who Marion's dealt for, left on Dallas. VC,Wright, S.Williams and Odom have non-guaranteed contracts.
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so you're saying that when faced with a choice of playing with andrea and playing with dirk, deron should choose Andrea?

I know all fans overvalue their own players and we tend to look at potential and what not, but Demar, JJ, Davis and JV are probably of no consequence to a guy like Deron. He needs talent that's able to win now, not in 3-4 years. None of those 4 players are even started calibre yet, and they may or may not even reach that level in their future career.

In Dallas you have Dirk, Marion, Terry, Kidd, Carter and Delonte who are savvy, proven veterans and you have an owner with deep pockets.

The Raptors are not ready to compete, with or without deron, we're still at least 2 years away. No nba veteran will come here willingly.
To free up major cap space, Terry, Kidd, Carter and Delonte would be gone. If Dallas wants to go after both Howard and Deron, one of Marion/Haywood would somehow have to be gone as well.

I was not comparing Dirk to Andrea. I was trying (or so I thought) to make a point that Williams added to the Raps would arguably be poised for a longer run of success due to the age of the main pieces of the roster compared to his own.
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To free up major cap space, Terry, Kidd, Carter and Delonte would be gone. If Dallas wants to go after both Howard and Deron, one of Marion/Haywood would somehow have to be gone as well.

I was not comparing Dirk to Andrea. I was trying (or so I thought) to make a point that Williams added to the Raps would arguably be poised for a longer run of success due to the age of the main pieces of the roster compared to his own.
I don't think so, if they only need Deron, they can keep terry and marion. And they can resign Carter and kidd for the minimum after that and could throw one of the exceptions at delonte.

I don't disagree with us being better positioned for long term success, but a guy like deron is not looking to win a title in 5 years, he wants to be in the running now. There's no way a superstar comes here to go through rebuilding, even if it's at the tail end.

And don't forget that Howard will either go to Dallas, or will go to NJ this summer, as a FA. So Deron will almost certainly play with Dwight. The real choice is, are they willing to sacrifice a little money to add Dirk to the mix (not that much when you account for the 8% or so bonus they get in Texas due to lack of income tax).
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and for the record, I would LOVE to see a team with Deron, Dirk and Dwight, that would be one spectacular team to watch. Paul + Dirk + Howard would be my ideal NBA trio, but DDD is very close.
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Paul Dwight and Dirk together would never lose a game. Its hard to think of a better combination of games that would mesh and dominate like they would.
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