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Old 01-26-2012, 02:30 AM   #21 (permalink)
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One side of the equation is that there was no training camp & all the team building things that come out of that; little practice time; and Demar's been struggling (but showing signs of coming out of it here in Utah). Coach Casey can't be blamed for the 1st two facts. But at the same time, the whole league is suffering from those things, except the teams whose nucleus stayed intact from 2010-2011.

However again, there's no doubt that Coach Casey has displayed almost zero feel for the game in terms of rotation management; the only thing that differs Coach Casey from Kevin O'neill is that Coach Casey can still be happy about that 2011 Champion Dallas Mavericks team he was a part of. He's been that atrocious in minute management, especially in contrast to how Rick Carlisle managed his team throughout the Mavericks 2011 playoff run.

On top of that is the fact that 9 rotation guys from last year's team are still here. That team was 7th in the league in FGM/game, 8th overall in FG%, and scored 99.1ppg. Yet we show absolutely no signs at all of that kind of flow this year when Andrea's on the bench or not playing. The piss poor offensive execution in so many games this past month is inexcusable; no other way around it, and it points straight at Casey, seeing other teams returning 9 rotation players still show good offensive flow this year, if not improved offensive flow (except the Celtics, seemingly thrown off by their best scorer Paul Pierce missing the start of the season).

I know the offensive execution isn't gonna be as precise as last year due to Coach Triano not on the bench and a very strong emphasis on defense this year, but Coach Casey's taken it too far to the point that he doesn't even give better offense a workable chance even though it's a reachable goal for this group, Kevin O'neill-like.

-He overworks Jose, who rarely asserts himself now b/c he knows he has to conserve energy, w/Casey playing him as if he's a super athletic guard.
-Unless random players are hot, we have NOTHING to our offense except Jose/Andrea in the pick'n'roll.
-Despite all our defensive stops, we get NOTHING on the fastbreak, whereas last year we were an elite fastbreak team despite playing little defense.*AND* we have 9 rotation guys from last year for fuck's sake!
-What exactly did he do for Rasual's confidence when he was missing all those shots, despite Rasual being a very good spot-up shooter for all of his career until now?
-What exactly has he done to restore Demar's confidence? Does he not see Demar's got an excellent handle + ace athleticism + a growing ability to get to the FT line, which is currently only junior to the elite scorers in the league?

I'm not saying we should've won alot of the games we've lost this season, but I am saying we should've played much better in those same games we lost (ie- no excuse for 62pts against the 76ers, and no excuse for the minimal improvement shown thereafter; it doesn't matter of rest of the league's scoring woes b/c we have 9 returning rotation players from last year's good offensive team).

I like Coach Casey, but it'll be squarely his fault if Andrea's got to miss time due to getting a grade II calf sprain; he made zero provision to our lackluster offense when Andrea's not playing.

'Pound the Rock' means nothing if you can't even identify your roster's strengths, even when they're staring at you right in the face. I'm not saying we should score 99ppg like last year in his system, but we certainly shouldn't be this bad offensively either. We've only won these past two games despite Coach Casey instead of him directly being a part of them. We won in Phoenix b/c Andrea was THAT happy to finally be back & Phoenix is THAT bad, and we won today in Utah b/c of Jose's heroics, Demar being mentally ready to play, and Linas really feeling it today.

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Old 01-26-2012, 02:51 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Serious, why was Bargs playing 40+ min on the first of a back to back to back, then playing 40+ min the first game back from in injury than another 40 min the day right after?
He's trying to keep up with LaMarcus Aldridge. L.A. played 40 minutes in his first preseason game 2 weeks outta heart surgery.
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Old 01-26-2012, 08:50 AM   #23 (permalink)
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If Bargnani doesn't play big minutes, the team loses. Casey wants to win - and he did what was necessary to win. It's not a case of managing minutes. We could go the whole season playing Bargs only 25 minutes a game and lose every game, or we could ride him when we can and risk that an injury takes place, and actually manage to win a game here and there. I prefer a coach who puts emphasis on winning than one who puts emphasis on playing it safe.

And him going down will only help the big picture cause.
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Old 01-26-2012, 09:52 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Ed Davis really didn't do much tonight, they needed AB in the third and fourth quarter, until OT, he was pretty much the only guarantee on offence, until Kleiza stepped up.
I guess they are trying for a playoff spot...kill all the horses
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Old 01-26-2012, 09:57 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Old 01-26-2012, 02:05 PM   #26 (permalink)
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If Bargnani can't play in a back to back then his golden calf is truly a serious problem. We're not talking about an old man like Tim Duncan.

Andrea's legs looked very fresh last night. I'm not sure if I've ever seen him with so much energy. He was looking a little like Noah at times. He'd had plenty of rest. But Casey is supposed to give him extra rest now that he's back? Give me a break.
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Old 01-26-2012, 02:09 PM   #27 (permalink)
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If Bargnani can't play in a back to back then his golden calf is truly a serious problem. We're not talking about an old man like Tim Duncan.

Andrea's legs looked very fresh last night. I'm not sure if I've ever seen him with so much energy. He was looking a little like Noah at times. He'd had plenty of rest. But Casey is supposed to give him extra rest now that he's back? Give me a break.
Yup he is 26. Don't all starters that age log a ton of minutes?
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Old 01-26-2012, 02:11 PM   #28 (permalink)
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not when they are in the first couple of games back from a soft tissue injury.
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Old 01-26-2012, 02:14 PM   #29 (permalink)
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not when they are in the first couple of games back from a soft tissue injury.
Not when he's fully recovered? If there were issues which would require restrictions, then someone really fucked up. I don't think that's the case.
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Not when he's fully recovered? If there were issues which would require restrictions, then someone really fucked up. I don't think that's the case.
It's difficult to know when a soft muscle injury is fully recovered. Happens all the time that injuries like that get reaggravated. It was a back to back in his first two games back, shit happens.
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Not when he's fully recovered? If there were issues which would require restrictions, then someone really fucked up. I don't think that's the case.
carp is quite right. with soft tissue injuries, you never fully know when a guy is better, which is why teams typically bring a guy back slowly, allowing him to build up strength and test his limits. 80+ minutes in his first 2 games back is a lot.
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Old 01-26-2012, 02:25 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I'd say how he looked in the early part of the game gave some indication that his limits were pretty good. I agree shit happens. I don't think this is on anyone. It could have happened after 25 minutes of play. It could have happened in the next game.
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Old 01-26-2012, 02:31 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I'd say how he looked in the early part of the game gave some indication that his limits were pretty good. I agree shit happens. I don't think this is on anyone. It could have happened after 25 minutes of play. It could have happened in the next game.
Agreed, but the risk increases significantly as the supporting muscles are increasingly fatigued in a recovering period. You're right, it could have happened next week.... but soft-tissue strains aren't so straightforward. Look at Nelson Cruz in baseball.... every damn year that guy ruins somebody's fantasy hopes!
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Agreed, but the risk increases significantly as the supporting muscles are increasingly fatigued in a recovering period. You're right, it could have happened next week.... but soft-tissue strains aren't so straightforward. Look at Nelson Cruz in baseball.... every damn year that guy ruins somebody's fantasy hopes!
Back to my argument that he was, or should have been beyond the recovery period, and if not there should have been clear restrictions. Either Casey was incredibly negligent, or poorly informed, or there was just no way to see it coming.

I would guess that Andrea was thought to be fully recovered. Testing it in any game situations would be near impossible. How do you measure fatigue levels while competing and adjust appropriately? A five minute stretch with a couple of sprints could do more than a full 48 minutes of fairly stationary play. Add to that the adrenaline that could mask fatigue, and it just wouldn't be sensible.
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Back to my argument that he was, or should have been beyond the recovery period, and if not there should have been clear restrictions. Either Casey was incredibly negligent, or poorly informed, or there was just no way to see it coming.

I would guess that Andrea was thought to be fully recovered. Testing it in any game situations would be near impossible. How do you measure fatigue levels while competing and adjust appropriately? A five minute stretch with a couple of sprints could do more than a full 48 minutes of fairly stationary play. Add to that the adrenaline that could mask fatigue, and it just wouldn't be sensible.
You're right... not sure who should have done more to safeguard.... who knows what the advice was
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If people are like dogs, then my experience is that some bodies are just more prone to these sorts of things. I really want to see our next big pick, as well as Valanciunas, prove to be sturdy. How nice would it be to see a guy here that goes down hard in what would tend to be an injury causing incident, and then bounce up and play without any further concern? We've seen so many injuries without contact through the history of this team that it is starting to feel like enough is enough already. Let us get the guy with the really good genes please.
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Old 01-26-2012, 03:04 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Casey is terrible. Period.

Stop defending him you homers.
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Barbosa should be playing some backup point guard and Forbes should be play the wing positions exclusively
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Old 01-26-2012, 03:38 PM   #39 (permalink)
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the more minutes you play, the higher the risk of injuries. Tired players are more likely to take a wrong step or pull/tweak something.

If you're playing for something meaningful, that's probably a risk worth taking. But we're not in the hunt for anything but ping pong balls, so I'm not sure what's the point in overplaying the starters. Might be good for their long term conditioning, but the most likely explanation is that casey wants to win as many games as possible. After all, this is a make or break job for him and he's in a tough spot with a short term contract.

Personally, I think casey will have no problem finding a job after what he did here in 1 month, but who knows.
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Old 01-26-2012, 03:55 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Casey leaves whos doing good on the floor, if you suckin it, your off. lol
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