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jeffb 06-28-2011 02:11 PM

Casey: Bargnani won't be starting at Center next season
 
Keeps sounding to me like Ed Davis is being left out of the discussion when it comes to PF. :(

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SI.com: So you probably know about Basketball Value, the Web site that lists numbers for every five-man lineup. When you look at Toronto’s lineups, you see immediately that almost every one that played a lot struggled on defense. And when you dig deeper, you see that nearly every lineup that included Andrea Bargnani was awful defensively. This is my way of asking: Can you build a good defensive team with Bargnani on the back line? Is it possible? How do you do it?

Casey: Well, he’s not going to be our starting center, really [because he's more of a power forward]. He’s in a similar situation with Dirk Nowitzki at this point in his career. I’d have to check their numbers, but I’d venture to say at this point in his career, he’s probably somewhere in the same area where Dirk was, where both have had to live down the reputation of being soft. And by the way, Dirk has never been anywhere near soft. Don’t ever use that word with him.

SI.com: I won’t! Believe me!

Casey: Because he’s one of the toughest, hardest-working guys in the league. I don’t know Andrea. All I know is what I’ve read and seen. I am excited to get to know him. He’s going to get better defensively, and he’s a great offensive player. But we have to work with him, coach him up and put him in the right situations so he is not exposed as much. I think Amir Johnson can be an above-average defender in the same position, and that we can put someone like Amir in a system so that Andrea is not exposed as much.

Look, our challenge is to find a five-man unit that is above-average defensively. Who that five will be, I just don’t know at this point. But when you win 22 games, you’ve got to change things. You can’t come back with the status quo.

http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011...h-dwane-casey/

Dark Knight 06-28-2011 02:13 PM

Did you guys kno Easy E is 6'10''? Holy shit, I thought he was more like 6'8''. If Ed can add some muscle, he'd be a perfectly capable starting center for the time being.

carp 06-28-2011 02:17 PM

Gotta love Casey's "work with him, coach him up' mentality. He is rational enough to not buy into the soft label too. Bargnani has alot of work ahead of him, hope he buys in because he could be a major cog in our rebuild.

powerfulpanda 06-28-2011 02:21 PM

well, offensively bargnani doesn't play like a C, and on defense i don't remember him guarding the other teams C. so i don't know how much this changes things. whatever happens i just hope davis gets a lot of playing time

tettays 06-28-2011 02:22 PM

im loving Dwane Casey more and more everyday. Hopefully he realizes Bargnani will be most effective off the bench. Amir and Ed Davis will blossom as the starting C and PF respectively especially in Casey's defensive system.

carp 06-28-2011 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tettays (Post 554796)
im loving Dwane Casey more and more everyday. Hopefully he realizes Bargnani will be most effective off the bench. Amir and Ed Davis will blossom as the starting C and PF respectively especially in Casey's defensive system.

In my view, too many people worry about starting and bench spots. A lineup should be somewhat flexible anyways. Sounds like Casey appreciates Bargnani's length though, so I don't see him going to the bench to start.

10gizzle 06-28-2011 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 554781)
Keeps sounding to me like Ed Davis is being left out of the discussion when it comes to PF. :(

Jeff, although we haven't had much word on Davis' role next season, you gotta think he'll have a big part of our team. Unless he'd get traded for a sure fire starter, he's gonna get a lot of burn, regardless of whether it's the 4 or 5. Casey has to be most excited about him, in terms of defensive prowess and potential. I wouldn't read too much into it.

6'10 with a 7' wingspan is nice.

He'll do some damage.

RAPMAN 06-28-2011 02:37 PM

Looks like this team is keeping Bargnani. Coach Casey talking about him. Even at a recent interview, Gheradhini was talking about the future of Bargnani with the Raps. How many chances does this guy get?

carp 06-28-2011 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RAPMAN (Post 554818)
Looks like this team is keeping Bargnani. Coach Casey talking about him. Even at a recent interview, Gheradhini was talking about the future of Bargnani with the Raps. How many chances does this guy get?

Would you rather they just told him to collect his salary at home? I'd say he's going to get as many chances as he needs while he's making 9M/year. It's not like they have better options unless they get a good offer.

Trust 06-28-2011 03:23 PM

I hope Casey give Jonas starting, and Bargnani down for PF

LX 06-28-2011 03:25 PM

Casey never had to gameplan for Davis, so he's not on his radar like the others would be.

The frontcourt is a problem area obviously. He is going to try to put as nice a face on it as possible, say that they are looking to pick up a Center and try to not have Andrea exposed. He's only going to be able to do that sort of thing for the moment. Eventually, the truth will become apparent. It looks like his assessment of the truth will be counted on, and I can see at this point why he would say some unrealistic things, and throw in some red herrings about Dirk being called soft, until he can make his own determinations. Frankly, I'd prefer that he not have to deal with such a situation at all as a new coach, and maybe in the end he won't.

bltman 06-28-2011 04:14 PM

What is the risk if the organization takes another year to see if Casey can try and cover up Bargsí deficiencies? You donít know what Casey can do until he actually tries. If next year shows that Bargs simply canít work at all in any defensive scheme then you look to unload him. But, it seems silly to unload him at this point. Its not like the raptors are going to make the playoffs next year anyways.

There will be 96 minutes for bigs to be on the floor, likely to be allocated between 4 bigs. While Bargs will start games at PF and not center, he will certainly play center for large parts of the game. With a dearth of great centers in the league, many teams simply rotate bigs after the starting center comes out (with traditional PFs often playing center for at least part of the game). There will be enough mins to go around (especially with Amir getting into foul trouble).

Ciao Raptors! 06-28-2011 05:35 PM

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Admiral 06-28-2011 07:04 PM

why can't amir or ed start at C? offensively casey wants bargs at PF and amir and ed have C style offense, defensively none of our bigs are any good, so why can't amir or ed play C on defense??

but obviously the starting C is going to be whomever we can get in the FA market, because BC has made it pretty clear that is our focus for FAs

Blaze 06-28-2011 07:31 PM

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Look, our challenge is to find a five-man unit that is above-average defensively. Who that five will be, I just don’t know at this point. But when you win 22 games, you’ve got to change things. You can’t come back with the status quo.
This is what makes me optimistic towards Davis's playing time.

0nekhmer 06-28-2011 07:41 PM

if ed really did put up those 5-10 pounds of NBA muscle recently, i cant wait to see him when season starts!! he basically plays like the C we've wanted.

js12 06-28-2011 08:00 PM

Didn't Ed Davis start at center for a few games last season due to injury?

DocHoliday99 06-28-2011 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Admiral (Post 554970)
why can't amir or ed start at C? offensively casey wants bargs at PF and amir and ed have C style offense, defensively none of our bigs are any good, so why can't amir or ed play C on defense??

but obviously the starting C is going to be whomever we can get in the FA market, because BC has made it pretty clear that is our focus for FAs

I think thats exactly whats going to happen.

Edit*** till JV comes over next year

js12 06-28-2011 08:46 PM

I think Casey is leaning on an acquisition through trade/free agency. Davis and AJ are good players, but I'm not sure they can start at center for 82 games. Totally different story than playing backup center for 6-8 minutes per game.

FoldedLaundry 06-28-2011 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by js12 (Post 554999)
I think Casey is leaning on an acquisition through trade/free agency. Davis and AJ are good players, but I'm not sure they can start at center for 82 games. Totally different story than playing backup center for 6-8 minutes per game.

+1

For Amir and Ed, taking the NBA grind of starting as C for 82 games or even a lesser amount if its a shortened season this year or what not, it will take its toll.


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