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moremilk 04-07-2012 04:17 PM

the case for aaron gray
 
Some people question gray and I find that strange because he's a younger, and improved version of reggie evans, and reggie was a fan favourite despite making twice as much money.

Gray is a better rebounder than reggie, a vastly better defender (although he's too slow to play against certain matchups) and you can count of him for at least making layups and dunks around the basket, which is more than you could say about reggie. And the guy is young and most likely will come cheap.

Toronto is currently ranking 12th in the league in rebounding and 2nd in the league in defensive rebounding. This is the same team that was ranked among the last as little as two years ago and rebounding was for the longest time among the biggest complaint among fans.

If we can retain davis and gray, and with the addition of JV (who figures to be a top rebounder himself), we would safely put that problem behind us, even with AB and Demar continuing to rank among the lowest at their positions.

I think we'd be making a mistake if we don't resign gray and even giving him a increase in salary would be worthwhile, especially considering that there's room for growth. If he could polish his offense a little and a minimum of post game so he can contribute more at that end, Gray could be a fantastic backup center for JV. Of course, that almost certainly means we'd have to trade one of AB/Amir/Ed, but that decision can probably be pushed one year into the future (with the risk of really cutting Ed's minutes unfortunately).

Of course, if we get lucky and win the #1 pick, things would change dramatically, but short of that, I wouldn't mind throwing 3.5 million at Gray this summer.

bigmandinky 04-07-2012 04:48 PM

And he has mad flow!

Ball Don't Lie 04-07-2012 04:50 PM

I do want Gray back as well, because it never hurts to have another 7 footer off the bench that can play 15-20 mpg without being completely useless out there.

But a better rebounder than Reggie Evans? Not a chance in hell.

VanCity 04-07-2012 04:57 PM

Agreed 100%.

Either Ed or Amir have to be traded in order for this to happen. Most likely davis, given his talent level. However, i wouldnt be against trading bargnani either, given he can return a decent point guard + picks.

jeffb 04-07-2012 04:57 PM

Yeah, better rebounder than Reggie?

:wtf:

jeffb 04-07-2012 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VanCity (Post 634528)
Agreed 100%.

Either Ed or Amir have to be traded in order for this to happen. Most likely davis, given his talent level. However, i wouldnt be against trading bargnani either, given he can return a decent point guard + picks.

Why would one of them have to go? We can't have 5 bigs? Imo Bargs, Joval, Amir, Davis, Gray is good depth at the 4-5 spots.

10gizzle 04-07-2012 05:00 PM

Gotta gove him props.

He looks like he shed a few pounds since last year, helped his mobility.

Good smarts on him. Would be a nice guy to have around backing up JV.

LOG 04-07-2012 05:02 PM

Hopefully in the summer he will hit the gym and replace some of that fat with the muscle, the thing that bothers me is how slow he is, and that he could be more aggressive for a big dude like himself. But overall I agree, he could be a good backup for us

VanCity 04-07-2012 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 634530)
Why would one of them have to go? We can't have 5 bigs? Imo Bargs, Joval, Amir, Davis, Gray is good depth at the 4-5 spots.

how are the minutes going to be split? ed davis is going to be in the same spot as this year, not being able to show what he can do while playing extended minutes. and add to that Jonas, and amir. there is no point in bringing back gray if were not going to play him.

jrob23 04-07-2012 05:28 PM

IMO Amir is the odd man out, but his contract will likely make hard to move him and get something of value in return without using a draft pick.. teams would be a lot more attracted to acquiring Davis.. thus i think BC should talk to Davis and see if his heart is in Toronto.. and if not then go ahead and move him.


One of Amir or Ed will be gone though, the way Ed's been playing of late (best of his career) is either boosting his trade value for the summer, or will influence BC to trade Amir to open up more minutes for Ed.. personally i hope for the latter, but obviously if we trade Davis and bring in a solid piece that works too.

JoeyJoJo Shabbadu 04-07-2012 06:46 PM

Andre the Giant was more athletic and could jump higher than Aaron Gray. There are 4 guys under contract. If you caN sign him if he signs for a song.... sure. Here's a list of everyone else.... don't know why he's a priotirty unless he's the greatest team guy ever.

Center
(name, team – 2011-12 salary – status)

Chris Kaman, New Orleans Hornets – $12.7 million – Unrestricted
Marcus Camby, Houston Rockets – $12.9 million – Unrestricted
Spencer Hawes, Philadelphia 76ers – $4.1 million – Unrestricted
Kwame Brown, Milwaukee Bucks – $6.8 million – Unrestricted
Aaron Gray, Toronto Raptors – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Jermaine O’Neal, Boston Celtics – $6.2 million – Unrestricted
Nazr Mohammed, Oklahoma City Thunder – $3.8 million – Unrestricted
Omer Asik, Chicago Bulls – $1.9 million – Unrestricted*
Semih Erden, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Ben Wallace, Detroit Pistons – $2.2 million – Unrestricted
Hamed Haddadi, Memphis Grizzlies – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Mehmet Okur, Portland Trail Blazers – $10.9 million – Unrestricted
Greg Stiemsma, Boston Celtics – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Daniel Orton, Orlando Magic – $1.1 million – Unrestricted*
Solomon Alabi, Toronto Raptors – $0.8 million – Team Option ($0.9 million)
Hasheem Thabeet, Portland Trail Blazers – $5.1 million – Unrestricted*
DeSagana Diop, Charlotte Bobcats – $6.9 million – Player Option ($7.4 million)
Ryan Hollins, Boston Celtics – $0.3 million – Unrestricted
Jason Collins, Atlanta Hawks – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Joel Przybilla, Portland Trail Blazers – $0.7 million – Unrestricted
Eddy Curry, Miami HEAT – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Tony Battie, Philadelphia 76ers – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Greg Oden, Portland Trail Blazers – $1.5 million – Unrestricted
Jamaal Magloire, Toronto Raptors – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Kyrylo Fesenko, Indiana Pacers – $0.3 million – Unrestricted
Mickell Gladness, Golden State Warriors – $0.2 million – Unrestricted*

0nekhmer 04-07-2012 07:19 PM

Dude knows his role. Hard to find any reason to dislike him.. Other than his mop head :)

Toby 04-07-2012 07:24 PM

When the Blazers tank arrived and began knocking the Rose Garden's walls down, there was some rumors surrounding aquiring Aaron Gray. He's a 3rd string Center that starts on the tankers due to lack of talented Centers in the NBA.

LX 04-07-2012 07:37 PM

Casey has used him fairly well. I think that Casey miracle would look even less miraculous if he could unleash some guys that didn't need to be polished up quite as much as Gray. It wouldn't be terrible to keep him for the right price, but it's hard to see him as a vital piece long term.

Metallikid 04-07-2012 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeyJoJo Shabbadu (Post 634548)
Andre the Giant was more athletic and could jump higher than Aaron Gray. There are 4 guys under contract. If you caN sign him if he signs for a song.... sure. Here's a list of everyone else.... don't know why he's a priotirty unless he's the greatest team guy ever.

Center
(name, team – 2011-12 salary – status)

Chris Kaman, New Orleans Hornets – $12.7 million – Unrestricted
Marcus Camby, Houston Rockets – $12.9 million – Unrestricted
Spencer Hawes, Philadelphia 76ers – $4.1 million – Unrestricted
Kwame Brown, Milwaukee Bucks – $6.8 million – Unrestricted
Aaron Gray, Toronto Raptors – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Jermaine O’Neal, Boston Celtics – $6.2 million – Unrestricted
Nazr Mohammed, Oklahoma City Thunder – $3.8 million – Unrestricted
Omer Asik, Chicago Bulls – $1.9 million – Unrestricted*
Semih Erden, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Ben Wallace, Detroit Pistons – $2.2 million – Unrestricted
Hamed Haddadi, Memphis Grizzlies – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Mehmet Okur, Portland Trail Blazers – $10.9 million – Unrestricted
Greg Stiemsma, Boston Celtics – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Daniel Orton, Orlando Magic – $1.1 million – Unrestricted*
Solomon Alabi, Toronto Raptors – $0.8 million – Team Option ($0.9 million)
Hasheem Thabeet, Portland Trail Blazers – $5.1 million – Unrestricted*
DeSagana Diop, Charlotte Bobcats – $6.9 million – Player Option ($7.4 million)
Ryan Hollins, Boston Celtics – $0.3 million – Unrestricted
Jason Collins, Atlanta Hawks – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Joel Przybilla, Portland Trail Blazers – $0.7 million – Unrestricted
Eddy Curry, Miami HEAT – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Tony Battie, Philadelphia 76ers – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Greg Oden, Portland Trail Blazers – $1.5 million – Unrestricted
Jamaal Magloire, Toronto Raptors – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Kyrylo Fesenko, Indiana Pacers – $0.3 million – Unrestricted
Mickell Gladness, Golden State Warriors – $0.2 million – Unrestricted*

The only player I'd have any desire for is Chris Kaman because he's a great shot-blocker and all-around good centre. Even for him though you'd have to trade a big to clear up room (Probably Bargs at that point unless he became the 6th man). The rest of that list really is just a bunch of complete scrubs and pine-riders.

jeffb 04-07-2012 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeyJoJo Shabbadu (Post 634548)
Andre the Giant was more athletic and could jump higher than Aaron Gray. There are 4 guys under contract. If you caN sign him if he signs for a song.... sure. Here's a list of everyone else.... don't know why he's a priotirty unless he's the greatest team guy ever.

Center
(name, team – 2011-12 salary – status)

Chris Kaman, New Orleans Hornets – $12.7 million – Unrestricted
Marcus Camby, Houston Rockets – $12.9 million – Unrestricted
Spencer Hawes, Philadelphia 76ers – $4.1 million – Unrestricted
Kwame Brown, Milwaukee Bucks – $6.8 million – Unrestricted
Aaron Gray, Toronto Raptors – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Jermaine O’Neal, Boston Celtics – $6.2 million – Unrestricted
Nazr Mohammed, Oklahoma City Thunder – $3.8 million – Unrestricted
Omer Asik, Chicago Bulls – $1.9 million – Unrestricted*
Semih Erden, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Ben Wallace, Detroit Pistons – $2.2 million – Unrestricted
Hamed Haddadi, Memphis Grizzlies – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Mehmet Okur, Portland Trail Blazers – $10.9 million – Unrestricted
Greg Stiemsma, Boston Celtics – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Daniel Orton, Orlando Magic – $1.1 million – Unrestricted*
Solomon Alabi, Toronto Raptors – $0.8 million – Team Option ($0.9 million)
Hasheem Thabeet, Portland Trail Blazers – $5.1 million – Unrestricted*
DeSagana Diop, Charlotte Bobcats – $6.9 million – Player Option ($7.4 million)
Ryan Hollins, Boston Celtics – $0.3 million – Unrestricted
Jason Collins, Atlanta Hawks – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Joel Przybilla, Portland Trail Blazers – $0.7 million – Unrestricted
Eddy Curry, Miami HEAT – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Tony Battie, Philadelphia 76ers – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Greg Oden, Portland Trail Blazers – $1.5 million – Unrestricted
Jamaal Magloire, Toronto Raptors – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Kyrylo Fesenko, Indiana Pacers – $0.3 million – Unrestricted
Mickell Gladness, Golden State Warriors – $0.2 million – Unrestricted*


I'd have interest in Kaman, Przybilla, Asik, Gray, Okur, Mohammed


Alabi is as good as gone :)

Ball Don't Lie 04-07-2012 07:50 PM

Asik would be perfect off the bench if we were to move ED/Amir or both. Dude is a defensive juggernaut and can play 25-30 mpg if need be. Having one of the best defensive centers in the league will cost us but it'd be worth it since both Bargs and Val can play both frontcourt positions. But itd obviously be hard to pull off without moving Amir first.

jrob23 04-07-2012 07:53 PM

Gray is better than 80% of that list lol

if anything we should just try to retain him at around 3/per, look at what those players ahead of him are making.

jeffb 04-07-2012 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrob23 (Post 634568)
Gray is better than 80% of that list lol

if anything we should just try to retain him at around 3/per, look at what those players ahead of him are making.

Probably, considering most of them are busts or way past their prime. lol

LOG 04-07-2012 08:15 PM

is Asik really that cheap? :cookie:


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