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LKeet6 11-18-2012 10:49 AM

Can we use a 1st round pick in a trade?
 
I know this has been discussed before and the consensus was that no, we can't trade a 1st round pick coz of our obligation to houston (now OKC.)

but i was just on RealGM looking up future draft pick ownerships and saw this in orlando's list about their 1st rounder that came from the 76ers in the howard trade.

2015 first round draft pick from Philadelphia
Philadelphia's own 2015 1st round pick to Orlando two years after Philadelphia satisfies their obligation to convey a 1st round pick to Miami (Top-14 Protected in the 2015 NBA Draft, top-14 protected in 2016, top-11 protected in 2017 and top-8 protected in the 2018 NBA Draft.). If Philadelphia does not send Orlando a first round pick by the 2018 NBA Draft, they Philadelphia shall convey their own 2018 and 2019 second round picks to Orlando. [Denver - L.A. Lakers - Orlando - Philadelphia, 8/10/2012]

have i got something wrong there? Also, if philly haven't done it by 2018 they only have to give 2 2nd rounders!? not bad for them!?

RaptorsandBuckeye FaN 11-18-2012 11:04 AM

Philly obligation to owed Miami a first rounder in 2013/2014/2015. After that they owed Magic a first rounder at the start of at least 2015-2018 season.


So yeah Raptors could trade a "future" first rounder to a team. But that future first rounder would be 2019. How many teams want a 2019 first round draft pick?

jeffb 11-18-2012 11:08 AM

If we first aquire a 1st round pick like Houston did with us, then flip it. Best chance would be in a big 3 team deal where the 3rd team involved gives up a 1st rounder.

Bill Haverchuck 11-18-2012 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by LKeet6 (Post 705222)
I know this has been discussed before and the consensus was that no, we can't trade a 1st round pick coz of our obligation to houston (now OKC.)

but i was just on RealGM looking up future draft pick ownerships and saw this in orlando's list about their 1st rounder that came from the 76ers in the howard trade.

2015 first round draft pick from Philadelphia
Philadelphia's own 2015 1st round pick to Orlando two years after Philadelphia satisfies their obligation to convey a 1st round pick to Miami (Top-14 Protected in the 2015 NBA Draft, top-14 protected in 2016, top-11 protected in 2017 and top-8 protected in the 2018 NBA Draft.). If Philadelphia does not send Orlando a first round pick by the 2018 NBA Draft, they Philadelphia shall convey their own 2018 and 2019 second round picks to Orlando. [Denver - L.A. Lakers - Orlando - Philadelphia, 8/10/2012]

have i got something wrong there? Also, if philly haven't done it by 2018 they only have to give 2 2nd rounders!? not bad for them!?


Kleet, I think you're confused by the poor organization of that paragraph. At first glance, it may appear as though the protections listed in paranthesis are in reference to the pick from Philly to Miami, leaving the impression that the pick to Miami could be locked up until 2018. That's not the case. Those protections are for the Orlando pick.

As RaptorsBuckeye fan was suggesting, the Miami pick obligation ends in 2015. If you look under Miami's credits, you'll see that. But if the pick falls outside the protection zone, they also just send Miami a couple of 2nd rounders. Either way, there is no 1st round pick obligation to Miami beyond 2015.

So, to put it simply, this is legal because, at the latest, Miami gets the 1st from Philly at 2015. Then Orlando can get Philly's pick in either 2017 or 2018. This is consistent with the collective bargaining agreement because (1) Philly does not trade away their pick two consecutive years in a row; and (2) they have not traded away a 1st round pick 7 years in advance, since the obligation ends in 2018.

It's different than our situation because our potential obligation to OKC via Hou extends to 2018. As long as the pick could possibly be givin away at any point between now and 2018, there is the potential scenarios to give up a 1st in back-to-back years, or in 2020, both of which violate the CBA. (see 1 and 2 above).

moremilk 11-18-2012 11:40 AM

Yeah, let's trade more draft picks, cause this team is on the verge of conteding ... :)

DDUnreal 11-18-2012 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by moremilk (Post 705237)
Yeah, let's trade more draft picks, cause this team is on the verge of conteding ... :)

Because our picks have been oh so helpful right?

LKeet6 11-18-2012 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Haverchuck (Post 705236)
Kleet, I think you're confused by the poor organization of that paragraph. At first glance, it may appear as though the protections listed in paranthesis are in reference to the pick from Philly to Miami, leaving the impression that the pick to Miami could be locked up until 2018. That's not the case. Those protections are for the Orlando pick.

As RaptorsBuckeye fan was suggesting, the Miami pick obligation ends in 2015. If you look under Miami's credits, you'll see that. But if the pick falls outside the protection zone, they also just send Miami a couple of 2nd rounders. Either way, there is no 1st round pick obligation to Miami beyond 2015.

So, to put it simply, this is legal because, at the latest, Miami gets the 1st from Philly at 2015. Then Orlando can get Philly's pick in either 2017 or 2018. This is consistent with the collective bargaining agreement because (1) Philly does not trade away their pick two consecutive years in a row; and (2) they have not traded away a 1st round pick 7 years in advance, since the obligation ends in 2018.

It's different than our situation because our potential obligation to OKC via Hou extends to 2018. As long as the pick could possibly be givin away at any point between now and 2018, there is the potential scenarios to give up a 1st in back-to-back years, or in 2020, both of which violate the CBA. (see 1 and 2 above).

excellent, thanks bill.

Quote:

Originally Posted by moremilk (Post 705237)
Yeah, let's trade more draft picks, cause this team is on the verge of conteding ... :)

but i'm really desperate for a SF! (yeah, you're probably right.)

moremilk 11-18-2012 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DDUnreal (Post 705240)
Because our picks have been oh so helpful right?

If you think you're getting a player better than derozan for a 2019 10th pick, you are living in a dream world. For where we've picked, we got good value in demar and Ed. And they play virtually for free for 4 seasons.

DanH 11-19-2012 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Haverchuck (Post 705236)
Kleet, I think you're confused by the poor organization of that paragraph. At first glance, it may appear as though the protections listed in paranthesis are in reference to the pick from Philly to Miami, leaving the impression that the pick to Miami could be locked up until 2018. That's not the case. Those protections are for the Orlando pick.

As RaptorsBuckeye fan was suggesting, the Miami pick obligation ends in 2015. If you look under Miami's credits, you'll see that. But if the pick falls outside the protection zone, they also just send Miami a couple of 2nd rounders. Either way, there is no 1st round pick obligation to Miami beyond 2015.

So, to put it simply, this is legal because, at the latest, Miami gets the 1st from Philly at 2015. Then Orlando can get Philly's pick in either 2017 or 2018. This is consistent with the collective bargaining agreement because (1) Philly does not trade away their pick two consecutive years in a row; and (2) they have not traded away a 1st round pick 7 years in advance, since the obligation ends in 2018.

It's different than our situation because our potential obligation to OKC via Hou extends to 2018. As long as the pick could possibly be givin away at any point between now and 2018, there is the potential scenarios to give up a 1st in back-to-back years, or in 2020, both of which violate the CBA. (see 1 and 2 above).

Well put. :yeah:


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