Can this be the solution?
Old 07-06-2009, 01:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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We renounce everybody BUT douby (or some other low cost agent). Then we have cap space to sign hedu. Then, we extend douby just high enough to go over the cap. Then we get the MLE.

Is this possible? When do they draw the line when awarding the MLE?
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first, once you go under the cap, even by one penny for one second, you lose the mle.

also, you can't renounce guys already under contract, and we need to renounce all the guys who's contracts have expired in order to make room for turkoglu.

so, no, unfortunately.
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you don't have to renounce all of them, if there is one agent that makes little money (Jake?), we can keep him. even if our cap space is only 9, we can still give hedu 53 because of the yearly increases.

But if what we're not allowed to drop under the cap space even for a minute, that kind of sucks.
It also means that any team with any kind of cap space is not allowed to spend MLE even if they resign their own FAs and go over the cap that way.
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I don't know the ways of the cap all that well, but to me it looks like pretty much the only way to make any changes now are by way of trade, right?
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I don't know the ways of the cap all that well, but to me it looks like pretty much the only way to make any changes now are by way of trade, right?
yep, only way. so, drop any other ideas.
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But if what we're not allowed to drop under the cap space even for a minute, that kind of sucks.
It also means that any team with any kind of cap space is not allowed to spend MLE even if they resign their own FAs and go over the cap that way.
Yes, they are.

If we had resigned Marion and Parker and went over the cap we'd have the MLE. Teams are allowed to go over the cap when resigning thier own players whose rights they own.
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Or if we coerce some UFA on the market to sign for a low-ball offer, that'd work too right?

But meh, the chances of that happening are probably negligible.
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But if what we're not allowed to drop under the cap space even for a minute, that kind of sucks.

It also means that any team with any kind of cap space is not allowed to spend MLE even if they resign their own FAs and go over the cap that way.
first part yes.

second part, no. if your own player expires, a 'cap hold' remains in the value of the expired contract. this means that the team does not go under the cap because that cap hold stays there and the mle stays in place. you can re-sign your own guys and keep the mle.

make sense?
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Or if we coerce some UFA on the market to sign for a low-ball offer, that'd work too right?

But meh, the chances of that happening are probably negligible.
not if that low-ball offer goes into the amount we need to sign hedo.
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I don't know the ways of the cap all that well, but to me it looks like pretty much the only way to make any changes now are by way of trade, right?
we also have the bi-annual exemption of approx $1.9 mil, which i don't think we could lose for any reason.

and you can always sign players for the minimum, although quality is never available at that price.
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I don't know the ways of the cap all that well, but to me it looks like pretty much the only way to make any changes now are by way of trade, right?
Yep! Lose about 5-6 Mil in salary and add that to the roughly 3Mil we'll already have after renouncing everyone and signing Hedo. Mind you it could be more if the first year of his salary is structured so his first season is 8.5-9Mil?

Banks needs to be bought out(saving around 3Mil) or traded. Banks/Cash for?

And Hump needs to be traded for a future considerations or Draft pick.

Leaving 8-9Mil to sign Delfino and Barnes or Kleiza? Then sign a bunch of minimum salary players.

Either way Colangelo is gonna have to worked harder and sell harder then he's probably ever had to before.
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if BC can get Delfino and Barnes or Kleiza, Raptors would be set. Maybe just another point guard. What do you think is the chance that BC can pull that off?
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Yep! Lose about 5-6 Mil in salary and add that to the roughly 3Mil we'll already have after renouncing everyone and signing Hedo. Mind you it could be more if the first year of his salary is structured so his first season is 8.5-9Mil?

Banks needs to be bought out(saving around 3Mil) or traded. Banks/Cash for?

And Hump needs to be traded for a future considerations or Draft pick.

Leaving 8-9Mil to sign Delfino and Barnes or Kleiza? Then sign a bunch of minimum salary players.

Either way Colangelo is gonna have to worked harder and sell harder then he's probably ever had to before.
banks would still count against the cap at full value if bought out. unless turkoglu's contract is incredibly back-loaded, or unless someone takes marcus off our hands for nothing, we'll have no money to sign guys like delfino and kleiza.
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if BC can get Delfino and Barnes or Kleiza, Raptors would be set. Maybe just another point guard. What do you think is the chance that BC can pull that off?
He's gonna clear cap space with our dead weight ( Banks/Hump) and i think Kleiza/Delfino will be here by the end of the week. But the rest of our roster will be minimum salary players including a PG unless he uses the 2Mil (bi annual) on that backup PG.
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Even if Banks is bought out, his salary still goes against the cap. What we really need is that one-time exemption that allowed teams to buyout one player and wipe it off their cap status altogether. So we would need to see it become a two-time exemption. And with teams struggling financially that could be possible.
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He's gonna clear cap space with our dead weight ( Banks/Hump) and i think Kleiza/Delfino will be here by the end of the week. But the rest of our roster will be minimum salary players including a PG unless he uses the 2Mil (bi annual) on that backup PG.
I don't think the same concern is there for a backup pg anymore. Hedo at least brings extra value in those terms.
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i think BC can swing a trade with hump, but banks is another story. Man if we get Delfino and Kleiza, i think this team will be solid!!!!!
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Banks salary would only be on the cap for the bought out amount divied over the number of year available.

For example if Banks salary over the next 3 years equals 15 million but he is bought out for 9 million, 3 million is the cap hit as opposed to 5 million.
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really snooch? this was not my understanding... that's a good thing, although getting marcus to agree is yet another story.
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