Can the Raps win big with Gay & Derozan?
Old 03-13-2013, 02:11 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The Toronto Raptors have been less than great since the trade deadline, and it's left people wondering if they can win big with DeMar DeRozan and Rudy Gay?

Toronto bit the bullet and went big at the deadline by deciding to trade for Gay. The hope being that his versatility on both offense and defense would help the Raptors finally start to win some games. If things went really well, making a push for a playoff spot wasn't out of the question, either.

As great as that all was, an immediate red flag was raised when the trade went through.

Anybody can look at the surface of this team and see that Toronto already has a player with similarities to Gay.

That player being DeRozan.

DeRozan is only two inches shorter and has an offensive style of play that resembles Gay's. Both players are unbelievably athletic and seem to be able to get up and down the court with a rare sense of fluidity. Neither player is an exceptional three-point shooter, but they excel at working off the dribble and getting into their mid-range game.

Gay tends to do more on defense as he can guard multiple positions, and it's not rare to see a mix of blocks and steals on his stat sheet. DeRozan doesn't quite have the defensive ability to do the same things as Gay, but that doesn't do much to detract from the obvious: These guys are close to being the same player.
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Getting rid of Ed Davis as part of the trade for Gay meant that Toronto was letting go of their only truly promising power forward. That effect will be felt until they find someone talented enough to fill the void—something that is always easier to said than done.

That's not to say that the Raptors don't have players with potential. Jonas Valanciunas is putting up a respectable 7.0 points, 5.6 rebounds and 1.1 blocks in only 21.2 minutes per game, so there's clearly some hope among the organization. The other beautiful aspect is that he's only a 20-year-old rookie.

He has plenty of time to grow as a player.

The bad part is that the Raptors don't necessarily have the time to wait for him to grow into a good player. Toronto needs to win as quickly as possible—his potential timetable seems like it might be too far away.

This leaves the squad turning toward one of three options: free agency, trades or the NBA draft.

They'll need to choose a direction and attempt to make a move that will bring in a player that can go down low and control the paint. This guy doesn't have to be a franchise changer, but he needs to be able to make a difference on the court.
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The second and most pressing concern is that they need to figure out if Dwane Casey is the right man for the Toronto Raptors' head coaching position.

On one hand, Casey has made defense a priority as his team moves forward—clearly something that should help the Raptors win more games. On the other hand, he's proven that his young players won't get playing time simply because of their youth—something that has the potential to backfire and stall a team's growth.

Valanciunas is one of the younger players struggling to get minutes, but another one happens to be a player waiting in DeRozan's shadow.

Terrence Ross has struggled to get consistent playing time under Casey and it could be one of the reasons for Ross' lack of production. The frustrating part is that it's hard to specifically pinpoint the exact reasons—16.3 minutes per game is hardly enough to make an accurate evaluation of someone.

Casey hasn't had the most talent to work with, but people will tend to have a hard time forgetting about his mistakes when it comes to messing with rotations and minute delegation.

Toronto needs to decide if Casey is truly who they want and go all-in with whatever their choice is.

Now, take a breather and notice something about everything you've just read.

DeRozan and Gay weren't really mentioned in regard to the moves that Toronto must make. The reason for this is that they fill two of the crucial positional needs for the Raptors.

No changes need to be made when it involves those two. They will grow as a tandem and play at a high level as their number of games together grows.

Toronto will need to make other moves if they want to be successful. (There's that word again.)

If they end up making the right choices with those decisions then there's no reason that the Raptors won't win with DeRozan and Gay.

They'll probably end up winning big too.

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the fields contract really really stings now doesn't it?
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:23 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I'm willing to give Gay a full training came and seasons before I shit on him.

Laughed at the part where it said they both excel at working off the dribble
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I'm willing to give Gay a full training came and seasons before I shit on him.

Laughed at the part where it said they both excel at working off the dribble
well gay can, it's just he doesn't do it often enough, which I think points to his conditioning to be honest and possibly a nagging injury. if he can fix these issues he'll seem like the gay of old we all wanted 3-4 years ago
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I really miss Ed Davis. It's really too bad that MEM didn't want Ross instead of him, because I really think that with Davis and Val with the current 1-3 positions, we'd be in a much much better position going forward with that lineup developing chemistry. Val and Ed are both very capable of defending screen roll, rebounding, and defending inside, and I think as the seasons pass, they would have been a great duo downlow with Eds passing skill and Vals developing post game. I think as time passed on, they'd be interchangeable inside on the high low, much like Randolph and Gasol(though Ed wouldn't be as good as Randolph obviously. I still have high hopes for Val becoming as good as Gasol).

But with regard to the articles main premise, I dont think they can work together unless they both develop better spot up 3 point shots, unless we bring in a coach that's able to better utilize their games and make them into more efficient players. We're not going to win anything with those 2 being our 1-2 punch, taking contested midrange shots vs good defences. It's just not happening. We will win however if we impliment a better offensive system that involves Lowry, and Val more in the offence(especially once he fully develops). Once this happens and there isnt as much pressure on Derozan and Gay to shoot 20 times a game, and be used so much in the offence, we'll be a much better team for it.

That and Derozan needs to stop being such a bitch on defence.
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I really miss Ed Davis. It's really too bad that MEM didn't want Ross instead of him,
actually it was us that didn't want to trade Ross i believe. they wanted him..
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They likely wanted both. And with them having just jettisoned Speights, I'm sure Davis was required in the deal.
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It's obvious to those in the know that DD must be jettisoned in return for a PF stud. Why have SG that can't shoot or defend? Makes no sense. He's not even that athletic given his plodding feet.
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It's obvious to those in the know that DD must be jettisoned in return for a PF stud. Why have SG that can't shoot or defend? Makes no sense. He's not even that athletic given his plodding feet.
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It's obvious to those in the know that DD must be jettisoned in return for a PF stud. Why have SG that can't shoot or defend? Makes no sense. He's not even that athletic given his plodding feet.
I have no idea.... which is why I see no sense in keeping Ross around.

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I have no idea.... which is why I see no sense in keeping Ross around.

Stop hating on the rook and boosting dudes like Landry Fields. Jesus
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I have no idea.... which is why I see no sense in keeping Ross around.

well.. at least he's better than fields
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His CONTRACT is better than Fields'..... but as a player? No.

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Stop hating on the rook and boosting dudes like Landry Fields. Jesus
A dude like Landry Fields has contributed FAR more this season than Ross (which isn't entirely surprising since Ross is a rook).

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Yeah, lets pass judgemnt after 16 games after we gave the Bargnani disaster 6 plus years. After beating NY twice, Indiana, Denver, and the Clippers, we can compete with playoff calibre clubs.
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Yeah, lets pass judgemnt after 16 games after we gave the Bargnani disaster 6 plus years. After beating NY twice, Indiana, Denver, and the Clippers, we can compete with playoff calibre clubs.
Exactemundo. Derozan/Gay can be a really really really solid combo to build around. You don't see Wade/LBJ spotting up at the three. Give me two guys who can score in the mid-range any day. We still dont' know where their limit is.

Now I think their are some questions regarding Rudy's character on the court and it will be interesting to see how it's dealt with. Is he coachable? Will the team hold him accountable? The NBA is to competitive with studs like LeBron around the league setting the bar extremely high in terms of effort needed to win basketball games.

Rudy might have the talent to knock down a game-winner against any defender, but does he have the mental toughness to compete for 48 minutes? He's demonstrated he can hit game winners but also hold the team back single handedly with unfocused play on both ends.

So although I want to see how he and Derozan do next season, I definitely hope we don't commit to Rudy until he shows us some substance in his game that can be built around.

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I say they CAN win big with DeRozan & Gay.

The real question is will the main players on this team get together this off season & bring it to another level next season?
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I say they CAN win big with DeRozan & Gay.

The real question is will the main players on this team get together this off season & bring it to another level next season?
I think val will be much, much, improved next season, and finally get minutes. and phantom calls will start disappearing helping his game a lot too. he'll be a massive x factor for us, along side how a healthy lowry can add to this team. these are the two biggest factors for us getting to that middling play off spot.

what would really push us over the top, into home advantage territory? (unlikely but possible) would be if casey somehow gets an offensive brain and starts making good rotational decisions and ACTUALLY KEEPS PLAYERS ACCOUNTABLE. either that or we get a good new coach like gundy, sloan, saunders, etc (again all the above, including a much improved casey, highly unlikely).

so to conclude, I can see us being a 3-9th spot team next season, depending on a lot of factors, with the biggest being val and lowry


I don't think Bargnani will manage to get us anything at all so I'm just discluding his deal's potential effect unless BC can pull magic out of his hat again like he did with barbosa for hedo
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Remember the day when we had no slashers? and the plan was to get an awesome slasher. Now we have the part time "slashers", full time chuckers, whatever you want to call them, and it's a problem now. Imagine not having Kleiza and Fields on the payroll! for what they provide the money could be much better spent, could be the difference between having a starting PF.


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