Can Chris Bosh be a centrepiece player?
Old 04-25-2009, 09:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 4
Representing:
Default Can Chris Bosh be a centrepiece player?

Hey guys,

I'm new to the world of Raptors blogging, I posted a new article a couple of days ago...feel free to read it here.
gkhs is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2009, 10:33 PM   #2 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 46
Representing:
Default

hey welcome to RF gkhs! Sure he definitely can be if he learns how to anchor a defense like TD and KG and rebounds like them. Offensively he has nothing to prove here, he is just as good as those mentioned including Dirk. My only concern is his knee. Hopefully an off-season of rest will allow him to come fully healthy next season.
HoopsMachine is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2009, 10:41 PM   #3 (permalink)
is dead inside

you ain't bout that life
 
Gurk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 21,016
Representing:
Default

I agree with HoopsMachine. If Bosh can play tight defence and most importantly gain some toughness and intimidation skills then he can for sure
Gurk is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2009, 11:51 PM   #4 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 4
Representing:
Default

Mark me down as a skeptic I guess...if he were going to be a top notch defensive rebounder or shot blocker, I think he would be by now.

I'm not saying he is bad, I'm saying he is good, not great.
gkhs is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2009, 12:14 AM   #5 (permalink)
Bmats7
is pounding the rock! (Edit)

Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Representing:
Default

You complained about his rebounding? Are you kidding? He's 6th in the league in rebounds... and tied for 5th in defensive rebounding... if that's not great I don't know what is.

He's also in the top 10 in scoring (Vince landed in the top 20 as well ).

Garnett lost in the first round of the playoffs 7 consecutive years... how do you consider him a number 1 guy then? He got a 20ppg guy in Sprewell before he moves on. Playing with Moon/AP is not a good way to assess whether or not Bosh is a #1 guy... give him a chance with a 20ppg wingman... and you'll see how good he is.
  Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2009, 12:54 AM   #6 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

I'm kind of a big deal.
 
its_asdf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: In yo mama's va jay jay
Posts: 305
Representing:
Send a message via MSN to its_asdf
Default

Pretty solid article I think. I specifically liked the point where you brought out that outside of offense and rebounding Bosh needs that extra dimension in his game for people to truly respect his game. It was something I always seemed to subconsciously know but I could never really put my finger on why in my eyes Bosh was always a level below the likes of those power forwards you mentioned.
its_asdf is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2009, 12:58 AM   #7 (permalink)
representing the Big Land

basketball is life
 
Chris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Newfoundland
Posts: 1,415
Representing:
Default

You can't base whether he is a centerpiece player entirely on stats. Situations are different.
Chris is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2009, 02:01 AM   #8 (permalink)
Bmats7
is pounding the rock! (Edit)

Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Representing:
Default

Nowitzki has never been known for his defence... not a #1 option?
Garnett lost 7 consecutive first round playoff series... not a #1 option?

Duncan is probably the greatest power forward to ever play the game... no comments there.

If ur expecting Bosh to be Lebron James... he won't be. But you could argue that almost no one is a number one option then. If you tell me a guy is a 4 time all-star, was on the USA bball team, and averaged over 22 and 10 and was in the top 10 in both scoring and rebounding and is not even in his late 20's... it's pretty safe to say he's a number one guy...

because if he's not our number 1 guy... based on everything else above... what should we do? Make Bargs our number 1 guy? Move the franchise? what is your solution?
  Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2009, 02:25 AM   #9 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 4,312
Representing:
Default

nah i prefer him as a power foward
Ugo Ferst is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2009, 09:09 AM   #10 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 4
Representing:
Default

A couple of quick reponses.

It isn't all about stats, Bosh's teams do not win games or playoff series.

Obviously Garnett hasn't always been a great winner, but in the two seasons most discussed in the article his teams won 102 games and two playoff series - and pushed the Lakers in the Conference finals. Garnett averaged 24/15/5 in the playoffs.

Bosh's advanced rebound stats like DRB% are average at best...his total numbers aren't bad because he plays a tonne of minutes and no one else on the team grabs any rebounds.

Again, Bosh is a good player, but whether he can elevate his team or truly earn a max contract is another question.
gkhs is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2009, 10:04 AM   #11 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

RF OG
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: At my house
Posts: 1,381
Representing:
Default

Whether or not Bosh can or should be the centrepiece of the franchise ultimately depends on his evolution as a leader and his willingness to commit to the franchise long term.

We know he can get his numbers. He's a proven 20+ppg scorer and an all-star.

Is Chris willing and able to recognize the areas where the team is deficient and improve his game to fill those gaps? Can he captain the defense? Will he buy into the new schemes the coaches will (hopefully) implement next season? Can he hold his teammates accountable at both ends of the floor? Provided the team can acquire a perimeter scoring threat, is he wiling to give up the ball?
Will Chris Bosh make a commitment to the Toronto Raptors organization and fans by signing a deal here that leaves the team with enough flexibility to surround him with talent? Or will he demand max dollars and subsequently handcuff BC's ability to improve the entire roster.
Those are a lot of questions and the final determination is up to Bosh.
Dann38 is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2009, 01:24 PM   #12 (permalink)
Kuzzy
is pounding the rock! (Edit)

Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Representing:
Default

that question is often asked and the answer is no
btw welcome to the forum gkhs!
  Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2009, 01:07 PM   #13 (permalink)
whatever

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: toronto
Posts: 9,229
Representing:
Default

nowitzki is borderline franchise player - just like bosh, he tends to choke when played agressively.
moremilk is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2009, 02:51 PM   #14 (permalink)
the only guy who thinks Terrence Ross will be an all-star

Senior Member
 
The MVP of West Hollywood's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 3,129
Representing:
Default

Here's the bigger issue. Bosh will be 26 in 2010 and came in as an 18 year old, is a skinny PF who relies on his quickness, and has knee issues. Two guys who fit that career profile to a dot are Shareef and Jermaine O'Neal, who broke down by 29-30. Webber is similar, albeit he had a couple college years and with his skill was still solid as a 30 year old, just injured a lot.

I think BC recognizes having Bosh for 3-4 more years is fine, it's the stuff after you don't want to be booked on. Which is why he wanted to extend him for 3 years, not 6. With his max deal, he'll be making something like 22, 25, and 28 mil when he's 30, 31, and 32. I don't need to explain how royally f'ed we'll be if Bosh is in current JO form by that time and has those three years left on his deal.

The question is, is the next 3-4 years of current Bosh worth the massive risk of those last couple years? Can we possibly be elite in that timeframe? Wouldn't this team take at least 2 years to get somewhere, then we'd need a window more than one year if we were lucky enough to get there though, right? (for the record, I'm VERY skeptical of us ever doing that behind Bosh).

That's the thing that's not being mentioned enough with this Bosh thing. It's NOT 6 elite years of Bosh when we give him that max deal. More likely you'll be lucky to get 4, most likely 3, then maybe a solid player not worth his massive deal past that.

This is why Miami is the perfect fit for Bosh. Wade will be 28 in 2010, he himself will only have 3-4 more elite years by that time considering how much of his game relies on his speed. Their window would be NOW, if they got him this summer they have 4 or 5 years of this combo, more than enough to justify it like the Celtics did with the big 3. Washington also fits considering Arenas and Butlers' ages.
The MVP of West Hollywood is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2009, 03:03 PM   #15 (permalink)
the next dictator of MLSE

fresh and clean
 
Windex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: uʍop ɹǝpun
Posts: 22,524
Representing:
Default

so we want to move him to a contender in the same conference because...
Windex is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2009, 03:34 PM   #16 (permalink)
a Raptors fan

Free DeMar DeRozan

 
zachus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 3,833
Representing:
Default

In-conference trading is not as much of an issue as in-division trading, not even close. If the best offer for Bosh was in the East, I'd take it in a heartbeat. If that deal were in the Atlantic though, I'd explore my second best option and so on.
zachus is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2009, 03:42 PM   #17 (permalink)
whatever

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: toronto
Posts: 9,229
Representing:
Default

trading Bosh is a MLSE decision, and they will NEVER do it, not unless they have to or if they can get an equal level star.
moremilk is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2009, 04:34 PM   #18 (permalink)
is praying Ross makes us forget Drummomd so people stop whining

Senior Member
 
jeffb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 72,777
Representing:
Quote:
Originally Posted by moremilk View Post
trading Bosh is a MLSE decision, and they will NEVER do it, not unless they have to or if they can get an equal level star.
In other words, he's as good as gone.
jeffb is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2009, 11:14 PM   #19 (permalink)
Sick, Wicked, and Nasty!

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 3,218
Representing:
Default

bosh is a centerpiece player but he needs to have a lot of very good players around him as he isn't the best centerpiece player in the league, but he's good enough to be considered a centerpiece player
Admiral is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
2009 Player Evaluations - Chris Bosh Dr. J. Naismith Toronto Raptors 27 04-17-2009 06:05 PM
When did Chris Bosh peak as a player? searchingfor93 Toronto Raptors 19 12-22-2008 06:34 PM
Player Evaluations - Chris Bosh Dr. J. Naismith Toronto Raptors 16 04-30-2008 09:22 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:30 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright RaptorsForum.com 2005-2011

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24