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Old 07-17-2013, 11:14 AM   #21 (permalink)
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You want to bet Novak gets more playing than both Gray & Acy?
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Old 07-17-2013, 11:34 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Camby you big baby. You're delusional.
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Old 07-17-2013, 11:49 AM   #23 (permalink)
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A post I put on another site that bears repeating here.

Refers to a question on how much our cap hit would be reduced from a Camby buyout if he were to go sign with another team.

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The set-off for a buyout is pretty insignificant actually.

Say we buy him out for the full amount. That full amount keeps hitting the cap (4.4 M this year, 1 M next year).

Then say he signs for the vet minimum elsewhere, on a 1 year deal. He signs for the minimum, which for a player of Camby’s experience is 1.4M. Then the set-off amount (the amount the Raps can take off their cap) is half the difference between his new salary and the 1-year vet minimum salary. So, 1.4M subtract 0.8 M is 0.6 M. Meaning the Raps would be able to set-off about 0.3 M of his 4.4 M dollar salary this year. That leaves his cap hits at 4.1 M this year and 1 M next year (unless he signs another contract next year). See, insignificant really.

Much more important considerations are a) if we get him to agree to a lower buyout and b) if we stretch his remaining salary.

If he wants out, and has agreed to a minimum deal with another team (the Raps can allow this discussion to take place if they choose), Ujiri could tell him that he’ll have to accept a buyout of 1.4M less than what he is owed – that way he still gets all his money, but gets to choose where he plays, and his new team doesn’t have to deal with his full contract or his second year. If that were the case, the buyout would be for 4M total, spread out in the ratio of his current guaranteed salary over the next two years. That means a cap hit of 3.3 M this year, and 0.8 M next year. Much better, right? Trick is getting Camby to agree to it.

Second option, if he were to refuse a partial buyout, is to just stretch his buyout using the stretch provision. So that 5.4 M he is owed over the next 2 years is instead paid out over the next 5, meaning a 1.1 M cap hit per year up until 2017-18, 0.8 M this year if that set-off gets applied. Annoying, but maybe we need the room more now than we will then. Certainly more palatable than a Fields stretch. Still doubt the stretch provision gets used.
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Old 07-17-2013, 12:11 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Then say he signs for the vet minimum elsewhere, on a 1 year deal. He signs for the minimum, which for a player of Camby’s experience is 1.4M. Then the set-off amount (the amount the Raps can take off their cap) is half the difference between his new salary and the 1-year vet minimum salary. So, 1.4M subtract 0.8 M is 0.6 M. Meaning the Raps would be able to set-off about 0.3 M of his 4.4 M dollar salary this year. That leaves his cap hits at 4.1 M this year and 1 M next year (unless he signs another contract next year). See, insignificant really.
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I'm confused - is the minimum 1.4 or 0.8?
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I'm confused - is the minimum 1.4 or 0.8?
Minimum varies based on a player's experience. For a one-year player (like, Quincy Acy for example) it is 0.8M. For a 10+ year vet, like Camby, it is 1.4 M.
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A post I put on another site that bears repeating here.

Refers to a question on how much our cap hit would be reduced from a Camby buyout if he were to go sign with another team.
If we don't use either the buyout or the stretch provision, if we could find a taker for him, couldn't we trade him plus cash( use against his salary) for something/someone nominal in return and reduce our cap hit that way?
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Old 07-17-2013, 12:21 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I see.. the "vet" threw me off - is it still called the '1-year vet minimum" when they only have one year experience?
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Old 07-17-2013, 12:24 PM   #28 (permalink)
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We're going to need a third string Center now that Camby is gone

In case of injury to Gray or JV
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I see.. the "vet" threw me off - is it still called the '1-year vet minimum" when they only have one year experience?
There's not really a defined terminology, though yes, technically a player with one year experience is considered a vet by the league. But I definitely worded it a little awkwardly. The correct wording is technically "minimum salary for a player with 1 year NBA experience" but that seemed a little wordy. But I hope it is clear now.
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We're going to need a third string Center now that Camby is gone

In case of injury to Gray or JV
Amir/Tyler.
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If we don't use either the buyout or the stretch provision, if we could find a taker for him, couldn't we trade him plus cash( use against his salary) for something/someone nominal in return and reduce our cap hit that way?
Sure, if we can find a taker. The fact that a buyout is being discussed suggests that Ujiri cannot. Not at that salary (and cap hit, which the cash doesn't help). Teams are much more likely to wait for the buyout to grab him for the minimum, or even a BAE or something if it comes down to bidding.
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Amir/Tyler.
Yeah, small ball is fine if needed. Amir played a lot of C the past couple years.
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Old 07-17-2013, 12:34 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Amir/Tyler.
PF and PF

With the 2 (potentially 3 if Q Rich is bought out) roster spots opened, Raps need a solid backup PG, another backup SG and a third string Center.

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We're going to need a third string Center now that Camby is gone

In case of injury to Gray or JV
PF: Amir/TH/Acy
C: JV/Amir/TH/Gray

I still would prefer adding a decent backup C but for now I doubt that happens unless there is a trade.
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PF and PF

With the 2 (potentially 3 if Q Rich is bought out) roster spots opened, Raps need a solid backup PG, another backup SG and a third string Center.
to the member that thumbs down this...what would you rather do with the 2-3 open roster spots?

keep them empty? or complete a 15 man roster capable of filling in roles in case of injury.
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I think Ujiri has been clear that he will stock the back end of the roster with younger players to be developed such as Chris Wright. I think that's the direction he'll move in based on how he anticipates reshaping the roster down the road and he's less concerned about the positions. Most teams play the season with an 8 or 9 man rotation anyways.
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I'd be happy with:

Lowry/VET...........Buycks
Derozan/TR.........Fields
Gay/Novak..........Wright
Amir/TH..............Acy
JV/VET................Gray
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what happen to Q-rich ?
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what happen to Q-rich ?
Hmmmm, are we keeping him?

If so we have far too many wings.
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I'd be happy with:

Lowry/VET...........Buycks
Derozan/TR.........Fields
Gay/Novak..........Wright
Amir/TH..............Acy
JV/VET................Gray
Agreed, but...

Our roster is so logjammed at PF (Amir, Tyler & Acy) and SF (Gay, Novak, Q Rich & Fields is a better SF than SG).

Yet we're so thin in our backcourt and Center postion...was my point

We need to add a backup C and PG before wasting our time on a guy like Wright

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