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Old 03-19-2012, 10:23 PM   #41 (permalink)
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The way NBA feeds the army to viewer's throats is just disgusting. Even more disgusting is the way US government feeds of underprivileged youth to fill the cannons. "Fighting for your freedom.."? Or for the money and power to enslave you even further. And if you're poor, you stay poor, we need the fodder! Seeing the players you love made zombies, having to repeat stupid propaganda, I hate that.
I just hope it's a PR trick on Raptors chiefs part, but we should let them know that it's a very poor one.
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Old 03-19-2012, 10:59 PM   #42 (permalink)
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I'm glad everyone here has the chance to voice their opinions.
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Old 03-19-2012, 11:05 PM   #43 (permalink)
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I'm glad everyone here has the chance to voice their opinions.
I know. Too bad it's those last beacons of freedom & democracy The US Britain and their allies that helped put most of these freedom hating middle eastern dictators in power.
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Old 03-20-2012, 04:53 AM   #44 (permalink)
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Wherever the US military goes, the Canadian military will blindly follow...........
Ha, you think you've got it tough ? The British Prime Minister has been the US President's "bitch" for years . Whatever he wants we just bend over and offer up on a plate.

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I know. Too bad it's those last beacons of freedom & democracy The US Britain and their allies that helped put most of these freedom hating middle eastern dictators in power.
Don't blame the British, we were just following the President's orders ............... oh wait, I think someone else used that excuse in 1945 ............... I'll get back to you on that one.
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Old 03-20-2012, 04:54 AM   #45 (permalink)
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Oh yeah, and as for the uniforms; they look hideous.
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Old 03-25-2012, 08:32 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Speaking of cheap exercises, they sent the Raptors out in camouflage jerseys this past week. Nothing like the sight of an Italian, a Spaniard, a Lithuanian and assorted Americans press-ganged into wearing foreign colours to make you feel extra Canadian. You can talk all day about money raised and good causes, but every business knows that when things aren’t going well, the smart move is to wrap yourself in the flag. Whenever I hear anyone in a suit jacket and tie talking about sacrifice and honour, I think of what Dr. Johnson said about patriotism and scoundrels.

Again, this isn’t about the troops or Afghanistan or where you fall on the phony left-right political spectrum.

This is about putting an important conversation we rarely seem to have with each other any more into the hands of a bunch of guys who couldn’t care less.

Jose Calderon is a wonderful person. Really. On the 1-to-10 scale of good guys in sport (where A.J. Burnett is a 4 and John McDonald is a 9.5), Calderon’s an 11.

However, he has no business doing agitprop on the war effort in prime time, especially if he didn’t come up with the idea himself. When I want to know about the war, I’ll ask a soldier.

This isn’t the players’ faults. They hate this stuff. This is our fault.

It’s our fault that we conflate visibility with wisdom. It’s our fault that we’ve turned on our public institutions and the people who lead them.

It’s our fault that we’ve lost faith in our own ability to reason things out, and instead want a guy who bounces a ball for a living to tell us what to think.
Kelly: Professional athletes should leave punditry to the politicians - thestar.com
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Old 03-25-2012, 09:37 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Good article. I do like the political messages sent by the Heat and Amare with the hoodie pix. That intersected with the personal. There should be more of that.

There was talk Meet the Press about how easy war has become over the last few decades. It's no longer something that we're even conscious of. It's become something that gets done while we carry on with our lives as though nothing is going on out of the ordinary. Of course that has been what fortress America is all about for 2 Centuries, but there's an unimaginable small sliver that make the sacrifice now while the effects are spread out more than ever, and we get wrapped up in the objectives more than ever here (again without being a part of any decision-making process). Meanwhile we go shopping, and our taxes fund a perpetual war machine. And then we get the chance to substitute considering what that truly means, with "honoring" the troops by watching a basketball game. It's fucked up.

And ultimately I can't get past thinking it's mostly a ploy to boost some of the worst merchandise sales of any sports franchise.
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Old 03-25-2012, 11:01 PM   #48 (permalink)
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I shouldn't post this cause I'm totally not into internet arguments.

I wasn't a fan of the article.

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However, for lack of anyone better to do the job, we’ve made athletes our de facto diplomats. We want them to weigh in and even lead on the pressing social issues of the day.
I can't think of any examples of athletes being asked about serious issues. I can't think of any Canadian athletes beside Ken Dryden that have tried to become a politician. And I think Dryden is probably a pretty smart guy.

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It’s our fault that we’ve lost faith in our own ability to reason things out, and instead want a guy who bounces a ball for a living to tell us what to think.
I sure haven't lost faith in my ability to reason things out, and I don't think seeing Calderon in a camouflage jersey is going to change anyone's opinion on the Afghanistan war.

It's just a marketing ploy like the "Los Spurs" and "Los Suns" jerseys. Everything boils down to grubbing for dollars. Raptors are Canada's only NBA team, so pandering to the armed forces is probably a big market. I'm not sure where the huge American armed forces bases are (San Antonio? San Diego?) but I'm surprised the Americans didn't do this first.

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Old 03-26-2012, 08:21 AM   #49 (permalink)
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I shouldn't post this cause I'm totally not into internet arguments.

I wasn't a fan of the article.



I can't think of any examples of athletes being asked about serious issues. I can't think of any Canadian athletes beside Ken Dryden that have tried to become a politician. And I think Dryden is probably a pretty smart guy.



I sure haven't lost faith in my ability to reason things out, and I don't think seeing Calderon in a camouflage jersey is going to change anyone's opinion on the Afghanistan war.

It's just a marketing ploy like the "Los Spurs" and "Los Suns" jerseys. Everything boils down to grubbing for dollars. Raptors are Canada's only NBA team, so pandering to the armed forces is probably a big market. I'm not sure where the huge American armed forces bases are (San Antonio? San Diego?) but I'm surprised the Americans didn't do this first.
Your right to point out the weaknesses in the argument in terms of suggesting that athletes are doing the thinking for us. I didn't like the use of "punditry" in the title either. He muddled things up a bit. The strongest argument is that there is a problem with these sorts of symbolic gestures bypassing the sort of thought and reasoning that should have taken place before any action was taken, with a much greater active citizenry involved at that point and continuing on throughout. We get to watch basketball players in camo instead, and basketball players that do not even share our citizenry to boot.

Kelly had a lot of good elements. He definitely could have put it all together better. But it was nice that he didn't just offer the automatic genuflection.
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