Calderon's worth
Old 10-28-2009, 02:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm a die hard spurs fan that likes the Raptors. I would love for the spurs to get their hands on Jose Calderon; he is exactly what they need. However, some here don't talk to highly about him. What would it take for Calderon to join the spurs if for some reason Toronto is not Pleased with his performance? In other words, what's Calderon's worth?
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Old 10-28-2009, 02:59 PM   #2 (permalink)
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For me, to give away Calderon, I'd want Tony Parker in return.
Obviously its not exactly a fair trade, but I think Calderon & Wright for Parker

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Old 10-28-2009, 03:04 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I'd be willing to give up Parker, but I want a defensive stopper with Calderon to if I'm the spurs.
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Calderon is probably the most conservative point-guard in the league. He rarely makes a mistake. He gets a lot of his assists off of "smart" passes, where he'll give the ball to Bosh in his hot-spot and he'll just fire away.

But he does come with drawbacks. Although his defensive mishaps are highly overstated, he does, even when healthy, tend to allow his man to pass him far too much. But he also gets steals; about one per game. Oh yeah, and sometimes he'll do too little on offence so there are times in a game where the Raptors will go 2-3-4-5 possessions without a basket.

His worth? Honestly the Spurs have nothing besides Parker that the Raptors would want. It would be one-for-one then. But I'd personally ask for George Hill as well. I like that guy.
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Old 10-28-2009, 03:25 PM   #5 (permalink)
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The reason i would like Calderon is because of What you said above. Parker is fast and can break the defense down and run off 15pts in a quarter. However his PG instincts are terrible, and thats why for all his abilities he never really gets a high amount of assist. Calderon can't run off 15pts in a quarter or break down a defense like Parker can. But the PG instincts are there. The Spurs have Tim Duncan/Richard Jefferson/Manu Ginobili to score. Calderon can see mismatches and cutters, and he looks to pass first. Ginoblil and Jefferson cut to the basket and are always moving. Duncan off of Pick n roll situations will usually find himself guarded by a guy who's 6-2. Roger Mason Jr. and Antonio Mcdyess can both shoot jumpers. All the spurs need is PG to hit players in their spots and hit jumpers so the defense will stay honest and not sag. Parker can't see cutters and he looks to take score even when someone else has a mismatch ( Parker being guarded by a center and Duncan being guarded by a PG ). The only way Parker gets assist is off of drive and kick situations, 1-4 sets and pick in roll. He doesnt give up the ball enough to get the offense flowing.
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If you'll give up Ginobli and something for Calderon and something i'd be happy We need a Ginobli type but dont' (in my opinion) need Calderon as much anymore with Jack and Hedo and Bellinelli on the team.
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Jefferson, Blair, Hill and rights to Tiago Splitter

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Jose, Wright, Amir and Cash

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Jack/Hill/Banks
Jefferson/Belli/Douby
Hedo/Derozan/Weems
Bosh/Evans/Blair
Bargs/Rasho/POB

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Doesnt matter.
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I would do Bargs for Parker

Calderon is the perfect fit the triangle offense
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Old 10-28-2009, 03:58 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Spurs might give up the rights to Splitter but Blair and Hill,Jefferson is out of the question. Why? The Spurs are soft on the boards and their only decent rebounders are Duncan/Mcdyess/Blair. Bonner is soft as yogurt even though he is 6-10. Hill is Pop's favorite Player, so thats not gonna happen. Richard Jefferson is Manu Ginobili insurance.
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Jefferson, Blair, Hill and rights to Tiago Splitter

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Jose, Wright, Amir and Cash

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Jack/Hill/Banks
Jefferson/Belli/Douby
Hedo/Derozan/Weems
Bosh/Evans/Blair
Bargs/Rasho/POB

Spurs
Doesnt matter.
By the way RJ makes $14million dollars, why would you want him if you have Turkoglu at that Position?
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If Calderon goes at the least a starting caliber wing(not Mason JR) and a backup point would have to come back.

I really dont think there is anyway a deal could be done unless a third team was involved.
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I would do Bargs for Parker

Calderon is the perfect fit the triangle offense
Bargs is the greater Matt Bonner. Bargs can do more offensively but just like Bonner he is soft on the boards for his height.
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Bargs is the greater Matt Bonner. Bargs can do more offensively but just like Bonner he is soft on the boards for his height.
couldn't you use Duncan at C and Bargs at PF?
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couldn't you use Duncan at C and Bargs at PF?
Boy, you have no idea how much i though about that. Twin towers all over again. Tim/David to Tim/Bargs right? well then i realized that Bosh ( an allstar forward ) was teamed up with Bargs and yall still had trouble rebounding. Tim Duncan was teamed up with matt bonner and got beat in the first round convincingly cause Matt Bonner couldn't hold his own on the boards. If you cant rebound and play Defense night in night out you wont be on Pop's good side.
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Boy, you have no idea how much i though about that. Twin towers all over again. Tim/David to Tim/Bargs right? well then i realized that Bosh ( an allstar forward ) was teamed up with Bargs and yall still had trouble rebounding. Tim Duncan was teamed up with matt bonner and got beat in the first round convincingly cause Matt Bonner couldn't hold his own on the boards. If you cant rebound and play Defense night in night out you wont be on Pop's good side.
Duncan would be a much better pairing for Bargs than Bosh.

Duncan plays inside mostly, is an excellent man to man defender and has a nose for the ball.

Bargs doesnt get huge rebounding numbers but he is very effective at boxing his man out, preventing them from getting the board.
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Boy, you have no idea how much i though about that. Twin towers all over again. Tim/David to Tim/Bargs right? well then i realized that Bosh ( an allstar forward ) was teamed up with Bargs and yall still had trouble rebounding. Tim Duncan was teamed up with matt bonner and got beat in the first round convincingly cause Matt Bonner couldn't hold his own on the boards. If you cant rebound and play Defense night in night out you wont be on Pop's good side.
actually the Raps were a good rebounding team when Marion was around
RJ is an improvement from whoever the SF was last year (Finley, Udoka or Bowen) so there should be more activity on the boards
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I figured it out. Parker for Calderon/Amir Johnson. That way the spurs get their Avery Johnson like PG and also a Young big guy who can rebound and block shots. Raps get an allstart PG who can put up 20pts a game with ease and at a high percentage cause of his ability to get in the lane.
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I figured it out. Parker for Calderon/Amir Johnson. That way the spurs get their Avery Johnson like PG and also a Young big guy who can rebound and block shots. Raps get an allstart PG who can put up 20pts a game with ease and at a high percentage cause of his ability to get in the lane.
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I am not so hot about Parker anymore, not since Roko Ukic took him to school last year. I mean the guy got not just beat, but totally humiliated by Roko.
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actually the Raps were a good rebounding team when Marion was around
RJ is an improvement from whoever the SF was last year (Finley, Udoka or Bowen) so there should be more activity on the boards
Bargnani's shot selection is not great ( in pops system ). Marion is a solid rebounder regardless. But trading Kapono for Reggie Evans shows that yall have a rebounding problem. Why trade one shooter (Kapono) while the other (Parker) was a free agent. You dont have any legit shooters left. That trade was made before yall got belineli an obvious sharpshooter. And im sure youll agree before Marion, Moon was a good rebounder as well.
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