Calderon's Assist Numbers...

jakstad · 10-20-2009, 01:29 AM

Does it not concern anyone that Jose Calderon's assist numbers have gone way down? I mean his highest assist number in the pre-season is 6...which last year would have been considered a bad game. I've watched all but two games so far and Jose has looked pretty bad to me.

For one: He seems to be too caught up in the pick-and-roll..in the sense that he tries to do too much. He either forces a pass in (which isn't bad), or he makes a basic pass to a wing player. I, personally, blame Triano's system. The fast break is non-existent and in the half-court, it's really stand still, which doesn't give Jose many options....

Also! The worst of all! Likely rust, but I hope not! HIS SHOOTING!! Once one of the most consistent mid-range jumpers is now very flat. He's missing open 3's, open mid-range jumpers and I am scared!

I am not an idiot, however - it is the pre-season and many players mail it in/don't go all-out, but it is still concerning when a player - who once average almost 9 assists, and hit almost every mid-ranger to my knowledge - is doing so poorly. Any ideas as to why?

babyface · 10-20-2009, 01:37 AM

Jose is "injured"

A00715890 · 10-20-2009, 01:58 AM

dude...its pre-season....calm down....

jakstad · 10-20-2009, 02:21 AM

I don't know dude...pre-season or not when a guy goes from 9 assists to just under 4 it concerns me. But we'll see on October 28th if he's declined or not.

A00715890 · 10-20-2009, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jakstad

I don't know dude...pre-season or not when a guy goes from 9 assists to just under 4 it concerns me. But we'll see on October 28th if he's declined or not.

thats probably cuz hes only playing 21 mins a game this preseason...the numbers will go back up...dont worry..

beastie_dan · 10-20-2009, 04:24 AM

Wow. Like people have said, calm down. You can argue that he hasn't played as well as we hoped he would, but his apg is due to his reduced minutes, and Turkoglu getting the ball.

If I recall, Doug Smith posted that his shooting percentages were acutally pretty good, better than his season averages last year. He's a solid shooter, hopefully he gets some more open looks this year.

Snooch · 10-20-2009, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jakstad

I am not an idiot,

Way too easy............

m5racer · 10-20-2009, 07:39 AM

Are you kidding me...ITS PRESEASON and people need to CALM DOWN... you dont get your season average over preseason games my friend...man you remember jose's first game, he was horrible, but i didnt think he was going to be like that all season, and he wont...3 weeks into the season if you see a problem then start to worry

Sick, Wicked and Nasty! · 10-20-2009, 08:47 AM

If you guys have really been watching games like you claim you'll notice he is playing a lot of time on the court with another point guard, who is typically given the pg duties so Jose has been used more as a shooter. His percentages are pretty good...although I hope this experiment is preseason only as he's not an effective 2 guard. Overall though I expect they'll go down a bit because of guys like Turkoglu, Jack and Bellinelli on the team now.

MangoKidHoops · 10-20-2009, 09:32 AM

Agreed with Swan. With Turkoglu on the court now, he's grabbing some of those assists away. Better to have multiple facilitators on the floor than just one.

m5racer · 10-20-2009, 10:35 AM

shouldn't we be more concerned with the lack of scoring and good percentages at this point?

**brothersteve** · 10-20-2009, 11:03 AM

Jose came in having not played all summer - between the hamstring and finger surgery, he just sat around. His conditioning was awful.

In the first preseason game in London, Jose went pale and pasty within minutes on the floor - he actually looked like he was sick.

But he's come a long way quickly, the numbers will follow his improved conditioning. No worries for Oct 28th.

Superjudge · 10-20-2009, 11:25 AM

I think you'll see him better overall, but to be honest, his numbers may go down.

I think it's morer about watching the first 20 games, and asking whether or not he is helping the team be successful.

Garnett numbers went down in Boston, and so did his hand, from the weight of a big ass championship ring.

**zachus** · 10-20-2009, 11:27 AM

Calderon strikes me as the type of guy that won't let himself NOT be ready for October 28th.

Sick, Wicked and Nasty! · 10-20-2009, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m5racer

shouldn't we be more concerned with the lack of scoring and good percentages at this point?

You aren't reading the thread nor looking at actual numbers are you?

.462 .417 1.000 7.1 ppg in 21mpg is not all that bad for preseason rust.

m5racer · 10-20-2009, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sick, Wicked and Nasty!

You aren't reading the thread nor looking at actual numbers are you?

.462 .417 1.000 7.1 ppg in 21mpg is not all that bad for preseason rust.

I was not speaking about him, i was referring to the entire team

27% 3pt and like 38 or 41 from the field..... mabe your not reading the numbers right buddy

Liston · 10-20-2009, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jakstad

Does it not concern anyone that Jose Calderon's assist numbers have gone way down?

No. He's only played ~22 mpg and most of the time has not have Bosh or Turk to pass to. Playing ~32 mpg and having his starters during much of that stretch will equate to 7-8 apg. Turk may eat into his totals this year a tad - and that's a good thing.

MikeToronto · 10-20-2009, 01:11 PM

Who cares about his numbers? I am pretty sure he doesn't - why should we?

Hedo and Jack will absolutely eat into Jose's assists total. When his shooting form comes back, I think he will score more than last year, but his assists will go down this season.

Admiral · 10-20-2009, 04:08 PM

hahaha, sorry, i tried not to but i had to laugh

why are you so concerned about how many assists he is getting in the preseason? this is preseason, he is getting less minutes
and besides, nothing from the last 2 years suggests that Calderon with high assist numbers like 9-10 assists is better than a Calderon with only 7-8 assists
considering your concern, why are you not concerned that Bosh is not getting 25 points and 10 rebounds a game?
why are you not celebrating that all the elite scorers aren't getting their 20-30 points a game?
hmm....thats because nobody in any of the teams are playing their 30-40 minutes a game!!! calm down!

hirmak · 10-20-2009, 06:35 PM

Hedo could have better assist average than Calderon this season like in Magic.He's a player that I've never seen.Really the meaning of Point Forward

10-20-2009, 01:29 AM	#1 (permalink)
jakstad is the largest Jason Kapono/Marco Bellinelli fan. (period). Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 32 Representing:	Calderon's Assist Numbers... Does it not concern anyone that Jose Calderon's assist numbers have gone way down? I mean his highest assist number in the pre-season is 6...which last year would have been considered a bad game. I've watched all but two games so far and Jose has looked pretty bad to me. For one: He seems to be too caught up in the pick-and-roll..in the sense that he tries to do too much. He either forces a pass in (which isn't bad), or he makes a basic pass to a wing player. I, personally, blame Triano's system. The fast break is non-existent and in the half-court, it's really stand still, which doesn't give Jose many options.... Also! The worst of all! Likely rust, but I hope not! HIS SHOOTING!! Once one of the most consistent mid-range jumpers is now very flat. He's missing open 3's, open mid-range jumpers and I am scared! I am not an idiot, however - it is the pre-season and many players mail it in/don't go all-out, but it is still concerning when a player - who once average almost 9 assists, and hit almost every mid-ranger to my knowledge - is doing so poorly. Any ideas as to why?

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babyface is mooing Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,469 Representing:	Jose is "injured"

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A00715890 is dead inside. Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vancouver Posts: 2,405 Representing:	dude...its pre-season....calm down....

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jakstad is the largest Jason Kapono/Marco Bellinelli fan. (period). Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 32 Representing:	I don't know dude...pre-season or not when a guy goes from 9 assists to just under 4 it concerns me. But we'll see on October 28th if he's declined or not.

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beastie_dan is a raps fan. Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: WINNIPEG Posts: 50 Representing:	Wow. Like people have said, calm down. You can argue that he hasn't played as well as we hoped he would, but his apg is due to his reduced minutes, and Turkoglu getting the ball. If I recall, Doug Smith posted that his shooting percentages were acutally pretty good, better than his season averages last year. He's a solid shooter, hopefully he gets some more open looks this year.

10-20-2009, 07:39 AM	#8 (permalink)
m5racer is waiting for this team to start kicking ass Tai-Pan Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,562 Representing:	Are you kidding me...ITS PRESEASON and people need to CALM DOWN... you dont get your season average over preseason games my friend...man you remember jose's first game, he was horrible, but i didnt think he was going to be like that all season, and he wont...3 weeks into the season if you see a problem then start to worry

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Sick, Wicked and Nasty! is lovin' my 4x4! Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Canada eh? Posts: 2,263 Representing:	If you guys have really been watching games like you claim you'll notice he is playing a lot of time on the court with another point guard, who is typically given the pg duties so Jose has been used more as a shooter. His percentages are pretty good...although I hope this experiment is preseason only as he's not an effective 2 guard. Overall though I expect they'll go down a bit because of guys like Turkoglu, Jack and Bellinelli on the team now.

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MangoKidHoops is dead inside. Scarborough, We Go Hard.. Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sheppard-Meadowvale Posts: 6,470 Representing:	Agreed with Swan. With Turkoglu on the court now, he's grabbing some of those assists away. Better to have multiple facilitators on the floor than just one.

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m5racer is waiting for this team to start kicking ass Tai-Pan Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,562 Representing:	shouldn't we be more concerned with the lack of scoring and good percentages at this point?

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brothersteve is still forecasting a 47 win season! RF Affiliate Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton/Toronto Posts: 225 Representing:	Jose came in having not played all summer - between the hamstring and finger surgery, he just sat around. His conditioning was awful. In the first preseason game in London, Jose went pale and pasty within minutes on the floor - he actually looked like he was sick. But he's come a long way quickly, the numbers will follow his improved conditioning. No worries for Oct 28th.

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Superjudge is a Genius Meter. You're a bad guy Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: I live in Toronto. Posts: 7,372 Representing:	I think you'll see him better overall, but to be honest, his numbers may go down. I think it's morer about watching the first 20 games, and asking whether or not he is helping the team be successful. Garnett numbers went down in Boston, and so did his hand, from the weight of a big ass championship ring.

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zachus is a Raptors fan Free DeMar DeRozan Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,860 Representing:	Calderon strikes me as the type of guy that won't let himself NOT be ready for October 28th.

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MikeToronto is not a Twit The Gatekeeper Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,388 Representing:	Who cares about his numbers? I am pretty sure he doesn't - why should we? Hedo and Jack will absolutely eat into Jose's assists total. When his shooting form comes back, I think he will score more than last year, but his assists will go down this season.

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Admiral is Sick, Wicked, and Nasty! Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 728 Representing:	hahaha, sorry, i tried not to but i had to laugh why are you so concerned about how many assists he is getting in the preseason? this is preseason, he is getting less minutes and besides, nothing from the last 2 years suggests that Calderon with high assist numbers like 9-10 assists is better than a Calderon with only 7-8 assists considering your concern, why are you not concerned that Bosh is not getting 25 points and 10 rebounds a game? why are you not celebrating that all the elite scorers aren't getting their 20-30 points a game? hmm....thats because nobody in any of the teams are playing their 30-40 minutes a game!!! calm down!

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hirmak is training Systema A. Einstein Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 669 Representing:	Hedo could have better assist average than Calderon this season like in Magic.He's a player that I've never seen.Really the meaning of Point Forward