Calderon Taking Lead Role For Raptors

Dario · 12-18-2012, 03:21 AM

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Jose Calderon has been outstanding for the Toronto Raptors over their past two games, correcting course on what had been a disappointing season to date.

“I made up my mind, I want to be the guy, I’m here, this is my team,” said Calderon.

“I’m going to go out there and be the guy asking for nothing. I want to win with this team until somebody says something different, it doesn’t matter how long I’m on the court, it doesn’t matter how many minutes I play, I’m here to help my teammates and help this team win games.”

Calderon has long been the subject of trade rumors.

Via Doug Smith/Toronto Star

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...le_For_Raptors

the beginning part, "I made up my mind." Does that mean he wants to stay now? All this stuff is so confusing, did he ask for a trade or what?

12-18-2012, 04:14 AM

Can someone take out the trash already!? So sick of hearing about Calderon and Bargnani, get rid of them both.

Dario · 12-18-2012, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Kuzzy

Can someone take out the trash already!? So sick of hearing about Calderon and Bargnani, get rid of them both.

your status says "JV is overrated" smh

**fancylad** · 12-18-2012, 06:49 AM

i think it's great that a player has this attitude. I have a lot of respect for any player that comes out and says that. Just how much someone like Jose can carry by themselves, i don't know - probably not that much, but you can see that he wants nothing more than to stop the losing. Same thing with someone like Derozan (who i'm sure feels the same way).

Dario · 12-18-2012, 07:05 AM

yeah definitely, he's the definition of professional

niggles · 12-18-2012, 07:30 AM

Just like Jose to run his mouth after a couple of games starting.

Where was this sentiment, this professionalism,when he was the back-up.

If these words came from Bargnani after he had a couple of good games, we'd be rolling on the floor.

Jose is professional at whining.

LuffyGear2 · 12-18-2012, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by niggles

Just like Jose to run his mouth after a couple of games starting.

Where was this sentiment, this professionalism,when he was the back-up.

If these words came from Bargnani after he had a couple of good games, we'd be rolling on the floor.

Jose is professional at whining.

the words "i made up my mind" have a meaning

**'trane** · 12-18-2012, 08:33 AM

jose's always been the consummate professional. hey dwight, ya see how it's meant to be done?

carp · 12-18-2012, 09:21 AM

This is a great story.... re-sign him for 3 years, 12M and move Lowry in a Bargnani deal that nets us the biggest star we can find.... ideally a SF.

draft a young PG with huge upside and a willingness to learn from Jose's offensive mentorship and Casey's defensive framework.

Scully · 12-18-2012, 09:39 AM

triple doubles have this effect on people. fans and players a like. He remains our biggest trade asset. So I am still looking at this as a great opportunity to show case a great player. If BC is wavering on this, we have bigger problems.

LOG · 12-18-2012, 09:54 AM

Caldy would get more than 4mil, i see him getting easily 6mil. Unless he would say no to the money and resign here because he loves Toronto

carp · 12-18-2012, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by LOG

Caldy would get more than 4mil, i see him getting easily 6mil. Unless he would say no to the money and resign here because he loves Toronto

I look around and see what vets are signing for and I think Jose realizes he could retire here and be remembered quite fondly given the dearth of talent.

I think he takes a significant pay cut in return for the trust and commitment from the organization and city he loves. He's not getting more than that elsewhere.

Batman · 12-18-2012, 10:17 AM

People...Jose is not capable of running this team. We've seen it for the past multiple years. The guy has a few triple doubles and all of a sudden people are calling for a Lowry trade and ready to crown Jose? Good grief.

All this is doing is uping his trade value.

jeffb · 12-18-2012, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Kuzzy

Can someone take out the trash already!? So sick of hearing about Calderon and Bargnani, get rid of them both.

Isn't going to happen. Maybe Bargnani, but Calderon is probably here to stay. It's pretty telling that a couple days ago people still wanted him traded and were cursing him out when he was shitting the bed coming off the bench. After 8 years on this team and threads popping up wondering where he stands in the league at his position is also very telling.The back and fourth love/hate from most Raptor fans also shows how inconsistent he's been.One minute he sucks coming off the bench, the next he's a top 5 PG in the NBA. All this because of a good 1.5 games. If this guy is still here next season i think i'll be taking a break from watching this team.

10gizzle · 12-18-2012, 10:25 AM

Still don't know why people talk so much trash about this guy. Always been a great player for us. Terrible defender, but very talented at many other things.

Calderon: 13.2 pts - 11.5 ast - 4 rebs - 45%FG - 49%3 - 83% FT - 2 3's
CP3 : 16.5 pts - 9 ast - 3.5 rebs - 47%FG - 32% 3 - 89% FT - 1 3

I know you can't compare the two players and I know stats are only stats...you still gotta have some talent to put up those kinds of numbers as a starter...don't give a shit who you are.

carp · 12-18-2012, 10:28 AM

Jose is capable... for the last three years, he's had a sub-average SG beside him still learning the game, a perpetually non-existent, small forward assortment of crap, a PF that is much like himself in that his strengths lie on the offensive side but struggles to defend at more than an average level, and a variety of mediocre centers from Aaron Gray to an aging Rasho Nesterovic.

Geezuz, it's like people on here still think Jamario Moon got a bad deal here.

**Claudius** · 12-18-2012, 10:36 AM

carp bringing the logic to the table. Well done sir!

jeffb · 12-18-2012, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by carp

Jose is capable... for the last three years, he's had a sub-average SG beside him still learning the game, a perpetually non-existent, small forward assortment of crap, a PF that is much like himself in that his strengths lie on the offensive side but struggles to defend at more than an average level, and a variety of mediocre centers from Aaron Gray to an aging Rasho Nesterovic.

Geezuz, it's like people on here still think Jamario Moon got a bad deal here.

Yet he got outplayed by Jarrett Jack in 2009-10 in Derozan's rookie year, yes i know we still had Bosh, but Jose struggled that season which is why we tried to deal him that following summer (FUCK YOU MJ).

Scully · 12-18-2012, 10:46 AM

Jose is a great Offensive player. But you can't win with him starting. His mobility is a huge liability. You can't be putting that amount of pressure on your bigs coming up to help through out the game. It just leads to early fouls and easy buckets. If we don't trade this guy we will be spinning our wheels for another three years. Is lowery the answer? Probably not. But we have to start using trade assets at the peak of there value, not waiting for him to pull another hamy.

Beans · 12-18-2012, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by carp

Jose is capable... for the last three years, he's had a sub-average SG beside him still learning the game, a perpetually non-existent, small forward assortment of crap, a PF that is much like himself in that his strengths lie on the offensive side but struggles to defend at more than an average level, and a variety of mediocre centers from Aaron Gray to an aging Rasho Nesterovic.

Geezuz, it's like people on here still think Jamario Moon got a bad deal here.

This. Jose has been surrounded by below average players for the last 4 years. Jose is one of the few Raps who make other players play better.

More gushing love from AA:

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He's like the glue. He does everything, man. Without Jose I don't even know if we could win any of these games. He's amazing to us. Rebounding, passing, vocally leads everybody, talking, gets everybody in their positions. He's just like our calm, poised leader on the floor. It's great to have him.

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12-18-2012, 04:14 AM	#2 (permalink)
Kuzzy is pounding the rock! (Edit) Guest Posts: n/a Representing:	Can someone take out the trash already!? So sick of hearing about Calderon and Bargnani, get rid of them both.

12-18-2012, 06:49 AM	#4 (permalink)
fancylad is travis pickin' nosce te ipsum Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: east side. Posts: 13,824 Representing:	i think it's great that a player has this attitude. I have a lot of respect for any player that comes out and says that. Just how much someone like Jose can carry by themselves, i don't know - probably not that much, but you can see that he wants nothing more than to stop the losing. Same thing with someone like Derozan (who i'm sure feels the same way).

12-18-2012, 07:05 AM	#5 (permalink)
Dario is Life as a raptors fan... Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 6,002 Representing:	yeah definitely, he's the definition of professional

12-18-2012, 07:30 AM	#6 (permalink)
niggles is pounding the rock! OY!! Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Loch Ness Posts: 548 Representing:	Just like Jose to run his mouth after a couple of games starting. Where was this sentiment, this professionalism,when he was the back-up. If these words came from Bargnani after he had a couple of good games, we'd be rolling on the floor. Jose is professional at whining.

12-18-2012, 08:33 AM	#8 (permalink)
'trane is on a monk trip. giant steps Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 15,266 Representing:	jose's always been the consummate professional. hey dwight, ya see how it's meant to be done?

12-18-2012, 09:21 AM	#9 (permalink)
carp is the rebirth of thick Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Toronto Posts: 10,652 Representing:	This is a great story.... re-sign him for 3 years, 12M and move Lowry in a Bargnani deal that nets us the biggest star we can find.... ideally a SF. draft a young PG with huge upside and a willingness to learn from Jose's offensive mentorship and Casey's defensive framework.

12-18-2012, 09:39 AM	#10 (permalink)
Scully is pounding the rock! Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 866 Representing:	triple doubles have this effect on people. fans and players a like. He remains our biggest trade asset. So I am still looking at this as a great opportunity to show case a great player. If BC is wavering on this, we have bigger problems.

12-18-2012, 09:54 AM	#11 (permalink)
LOG is trying to learn tolerance, and let others believe what they want to believe. Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,193 Representing:	Caldy would get more than 4mil, i see him getting easily 6mil. Unless he would say no to the money and resign here because he loves Toronto

12-18-2012, 10:17 AM	#13 (permalink)
Batman is a Husky fella (Rudy)Gayman Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Halifax Posts: 1,808 Representing:	People...Jose is not capable of running this team. We've seen it for the past multiple years. The guy has a few triple doubles and all of a sudden people are calling for a Lowry trade and ready to crown Jose? Good grief. All this is doing is uping his trade value.

12-18-2012, 10:25 AM	#15 (permalink)
10gizzle is born like this, into this. Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,888 Representing:	Still don't know why people talk so much trash about this guy. Always been a great player for us. Terrible defender, but very talented at many other things. Calderon: 13.2 pts - 11.5 ast - 4 rebs - 45%FG - 49%3 - 83% FT - 2 3's CP3 : 16.5 pts - 9 ast - 3.5 rebs - 47%FG - 32% 3 - 89% FT - 1 3 I know you can't compare the two players and I know stats are only stats...you still gotta have some talent to put up those kinds of numbers as a starter...don't give a shit who you are.

12-18-2012, 10:28 AM	#16 (permalink)
carp is the rebirth of thick Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Toronto Posts: 10,652 Representing:	Jose is capable... for the last three years, he's had a sub-average SG beside him still learning the game, a perpetually non-existent, small forward assortment of crap, a PF that is much like himself in that his strengths lie on the offensive side but struggles to defend at more than an average level, and a variety of mediocre centers from Aaron Gray to an aging Rasho Nesterovic. Geezuz, it's like people on here still think Jamario Moon got a bad deal here.

12-18-2012, 10:36 AM	#17 (permalink)
Claudius is contemplating The Killing Joke Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Burkina Faso, Disputed Zone Posts: 9,593 Representing:	carp bringing the logic to the table. Well done sir!

12-18-2012, 10:46 AM	#19 (permalink)
Scully is pounding the rock! Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 866 Representing:	Jose is a great Offensive player. But you can't win with him starting. His mobility is a huge liability. You can't be putting that amount of pressure on your bigs coming up to help through out the game. It just leads to early fouls and easy buckets. If we don't trade this guy we will be spinning our wheels for another three years. Is lowery the answer? Probably not. But we have to start using trade assets at the peak of there value, not waiting for him to pull another hamy.