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Old 12-18-2012, 10:50 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Yet he got outplayed by Jarrett Jack in 2009-10 in Derozan's rookie year, yes i know we still had Bosh, but Jose struggled that season which is why we tried to deal him that following summer (FUCK YOU MJ).
Yeah, and then he outplayed Jack the next season and Jack got traded. What's your point. No question mark because your point is irrelevant.

The guy has been on a shit team. We have the biggest holle in the league at SF and we go out and try and upgrade the PG spot and then bring in Landry fucking Fields????? Wow, way to support what little talent you actually have. Landry fucking Fields? The guy is a young player coming off a shitty season and is heralded as some amazing vet with loads of composure and experience because of one fucking half season with D'antoni, notoriously famous for making everybody an offensive star. It's so fucking obvious that Jose wasn't the problem, and Jeff you know this because for years we've been talking about chasing guys like Iggy, Gay, Batum, etc.... instead we get Landry Fucking Fields, a guy that couldn't even guard Honey Boo Boo from getting to KFC and grabbing herself a barrel.

Not only that, Amir and Ed look like offensive weapons with Jose breastfeeding them.... not spoonfeeding cause he's actually feeding them the ball exactly where they need it. The miniscule details of precision are lost on most viewers, but those that pay particularly close attention recognize how deft Jose is at actually finding guys and making such accurate feeds
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:54 AM   #22 (permalink)
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This. Jose has been surrounded by below average players for the last 4 years. Jose is one of the few Raps who make other players play better.

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Agreed.... for all his weaknesses, he actually does make others better than they are.

His D may lead to more breakdowns and blow-bys, but then we just need to support him with better all-round talent. I think that means AB has to go... in my mind pairing those two together is a recipe for disaster... but especially so when your star SG can't defend and you have nobody playing the three spot.

Yes, I realize Demar is improving, but for three years he was non-existent on the defensive end. He's still not great, but at least he's more active.
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I did say trade Calderon.. but for me the most important person to trade is Bargnanni, we can survive with Calderon
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:19 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I did say trade Calderon.. but for me the most important person to trade is Bargnanni, we can survive with Calderon
I agree there. Bargs needs to go first and foremost. Now if we can package the two i'd throw a party. We've been trying to deal Calderon for 2.5yrs and haven't been able to but maybe now we can find someone that would take him. Still have massive doubts.
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:23 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:43 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I agree there. Bargs needs to go first and foremost. Now if we can package the two i'd throw a party. We've been trying to deal Calderon for 2.5yrs and haven't been able to but maybe now we can find someone that would take him. Still have massive doubts.
I'd love to package Lowry... dude is injury prone and hasn't fit in. Unless you have an elite scoring PG, it's just not enough to make up for the fact that we have so many anemic offensive players that rely heavily on Jose to make them look adequate. Yes, Amir, Ed, all of our threes.... and Aaron, no wait, Aaron you're good, that sweet baby hook is money! The way you fill out a picture makes all the ladies get butterflies.

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Old 12-18-2012, 11:44 AM   #27 (permalink)
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There aren't many teams Jose could start for:

Raptors
Kings
Hornets
Mavs
Magic
Heat

Off the top of my head.
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:45 AM   #28 (permalink)
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There aren't many teams Jose could start for:

Raptors
Kings
Hornets
Mavs
Magic
Heat

Off the top of my head.
The top one depresses the shit out of me
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:46 AM   #29 (permalink)
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There aren't many teams Jose could start for:

Raptors
Kings
Hornets
Mavs
Magic
Heat

Off the top of my head.
He doesn't need to start. He is better suited as a back up.
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:54 AM   #30 (permalink)
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He doesn't need to start. He is better suited as a back up.
What are you smoking, he's a top 5 PG in this league. If you didn't know that a week ago you know now.
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:05 PM   #31 (permalink)
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He doesn't need to start. He is better suited as a back up.
I don't understand this thought. What makes one better suited to be a starter versus a backup? It's about minutes played and who plays when the defensive intensity gets cranked up. Jose can start if the others arn't defensive sieves around him.

Jose has defended reasonably well this year. He's never going to shut guys down, but he makes everyone of his teammates better on the offensive side. If we can hit our open shots, you'll see Jose's value skyrocket but for years we've lacked shooting.
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I don't understand this thought.
It was the consensus here a week ago and for the last 6 months. lol
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He is better suited as a back up.
Yup.

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It was the consensus here a week ago and for the last 6 months. lol
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Yeah, and then he outplayed Jack the next season and Jack got traded. What's your point. No question mark because your point is irrelevant.
Jack was starting before he got dealt and in those games where Jack was starting the raps were not horrible-decent defensively - and that was with Jay f***ing Triano as head coach. Jack got dealt because nobody wanted to take on Jose's contract (ie. Charlotte).
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Jack was starting before he got dealt and in those games where Jack was starting the raps were not horrible-decent defensively - and that was with Jay f***ing Triano as head coach. Jack got dealt because nobody wanted to take on Jose's contract (ie. Charlotte).
Jack? We're talking about Jack?
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Jack was starting before he got dealt and in those games where Jack was starting the raps were not horrible-decent defensively - and that was with Jay f***ing Triano as head coach. Jack got dealt because nobody wanted to take on Jose's contract (ie. Charlotte).
-Jarrett Jack outplayed Calderon for the 2009-10 season
-BC tried to deal Jose in the summer (MJ fucked us)
-Jack came into training camp (2010-11) and won the starting PG job
-Jack then struggled to start the season, especially with the 2 PG lineup
-Jack was dealt about a month into the season (Epic 2PG lineup Fail)

If only anyone wanted Jose and his high contract he would have been gone a couple years now.
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-Jarrett Jack outplayed Calderon for the 2009-10 season
-BC tried to deal Jose in the summer (MJ fucked us)
-Jack came into training camp (2010-11) and won the starting PG job
-Jack then struggled to start the season, especially with the 2 PG lineup
-Jack was dealt about a month into the season (Epic 2PG lineup Fail)

If only anyone wanted Jose and his high contract he would have been gone a couple years now.
Thank you.
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If only anyone wanted Jose and his high contract he would have been gone a couple years now.
It's very surprising that nobody was willing to trade for a top 5 PG in the nba
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Thank you.
yeah well, i'm guessing someone is typing something as we speak to say it's all bullshit. T.J also outplayed Calderon until he got hurt. But whatever, none of those three PG's is a bonified garanteed starter on most teams. In fact all three have backed each other up. They're all late 2nd tier, 3rd tier PG's.
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