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Old 12-07-2012, 04:03 AM   #21 (permalink)
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absurd that smitch got fired given what's going on now.
he's going to be rehired once BC leaves

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Old 12-07-2012, 04:44 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:27 AM   #23 (permalink)
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LX you don't think that Casey has lost the team?
Not at all. They damn near won the game in Denver. I've seen the Raptors with players in revolt. And it wasn't pretty. Who was the coach? Uhm...Butch.

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As much as I think Butch might be overreacting a bit it's hard to defend Casey in light of what he's done (or HASN'T done) with Bargs this season.
I mentioned this in another thread, and there's a link to the audio in this thread - Jack thinks there's a good chance that Casey has been told to play Bargs in order to keep his value from taking a complete nosedive.
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I mentioned this in another thread, and there's a link to the audio in this thread - Jack thinks there's a good chance that Casey has been told to play Bargs in order to keep his value from taking a complete nosedive.
Yet it would appear that it has.
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:04 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Yet it would appear that it has.
That was brought up by Sid. What's worse for his value - sitting through crunch time, or shooting 3-14?

There was a window where I could have been very happy to see Andrea traded and see a good return. I could have felt only a small amount of bitterness over past failures and moved on. But now it looks like even when he finally leaves I'm just going to be filled with even more bitterness. There's no winning with this guy. Just eternal frustration.
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:49 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Whether Casey has lost the team is a valid question ... I just don't think he has the skill to manage the dynamics of a live game ... He may be a decent modivator, but in my humble opinion ... he is not getting the most from the players.
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:26 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Wow, Butch standing up for DD and putting the blame on the Europeans aka Bargs and Caldy. Sounds like the truth.
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Old 12-07-2012, 09:15 AM   #28 (permalink)
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we should be taking Butch Carters' statements/opinions as gospel because Butch Carter is a freaking basketball genius...that's why teams are constantly knocking on his door begging/pleading for him to come and coach for their organization...

oh wait
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we should be taking Butch Carters' statements/opinions as gospel because Butch Carter is a freaking basketball genius...that's why teams are constantly knocking on his door begging/pleading for him to come and coach for their organization...

oh wait
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I mentioned this in another thread, and there's a link to the audio in this thread - Jack thinks there's a good chance that Casey has been told to play Bargs in order to keep his value from taking a complete nosedive.
If that's the case then I really hope that BC leaves... and is never hired by ANY organization again.
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Old 12-07-2012, 09:31 AM   #31 (permalink)
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What i want to know is where is the defense? I mean, if he could take last years team and make them in the top 12 in defense i believe it was, what the fuck happened now? why not this year? there what 27th?
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What happened? I foresaw these problems before the season started. You're adding three rookies to the roster where you had none last season. You now have much higher expectations for the team where there was absolutely none last season beyond improving from the worst defensive team. You have a coach that is no longer fresh and new and now has to face an assortment of personnel problems that are of the GM's making, and you have a GM that is going to apply pressure due to his own sad contractual position.

And last season's defensive improvement had a lot of fool's gold in it. They relied on slower pace, a lot of fouling, and were likely helped by the crazy lockout schedule.
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What happened? I foresaw these problems before the season started. You're adding three rookies to the roster where you had none last season. You now have much higher expectations for the team where there was absolutely none last season beyond improving from the worst defensive team. You have a coach that is no longer fresh and new and now has to face an assortment of personnel problems that are of the GM's making, and you have a GM that is going to apply pressure due to his own sad contractual position.

And last season's defensive improvement had a lot of fool's gold in it. They relied on slower pace, a lot of fouling, and were likely helped by the crazy lockout schedule.
This is the best post yet. Fool's gold is exactly correct.
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Didn't someone on here say that last season was fool's gold
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Didn't someone on here say that last season was fool's gold
This is the bestest post yet!!!

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As LX stated, we relied heavily on slowing down the pace and fouling way too much. We're still soft, get overpowered and pushed around in the post, get blown by on the perimeter far too often.... we're just a bad defensive team.... it takes more than a year to correct that and to fully build a defensive mindset that players completely buy into. Also hurts losing the only player that brought a randomness and unpredictability on the defensive side with toughness and aggression. We miss JJ in that regard, expecially with AB's inability to provide help defense and our weak ass perimeter defenders that allow penetration far too frequently and often.
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What i want to know is where is the defense? I mean, if he could take last years team and make them in the top 12 in defense i believe it was, what the fuck happened now? why not this year? there what 27th?
Carter had an answer for that too...

He said it is a mistake to assume that because a defense improves one year, that it will continue to get better the next without working at it. As a result, he said the team probably did not spend enough time during the pre-season on reinforcing the defense (he thinks pre-season workout tape would prove that).
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Old 12-07-2012, 01:31 PM   #37 (permalink)
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If Casey gets fired, I'd be upset. Cause it's the wrong choice. Casey has a fairly young nba head coaching career. Give him time, like we gave Andrea how many years and chances?
I say give him more time, he's had a bad stretch but it wasn't totally unjustified to have this bad stretch. There are plenty of reasons why he's having this stretch, Fields, Lowry's injury, Andrea's consistency, bad bench, bad players to have a rotation- at the 3 and 5 (Jonas is playing well, but has rookie mistakes here and there... Part of David West getting open shots in the Indiana game was because he didn't rotate). Only thing I really would knock on is his late game calls, last shots. lbh, they're always Andrea shooting a jumpshot, which he wasn't hitting all game, or a fade away in the post/mid-range area. He's tried to give it to Demar, and Lowry. and he should stick with them... Demar did have one very random shot, a Kobe-like shot. but he'll learn from not doing that with more opportunities.

Fire BC if anyone. Or trade Bargs, time be wasting.

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Old 12-07-2012, 02:38 PM   #38 (permalink)
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The best point he made was when he was talking in reference to the better defensive numbers the Raptors put up last year and mentioned they were done with Bargnani sitting out about 35 of those games.
No. Butch did not say that.

Butch referenced the team's better defensive numbers last season. Bobcat said that they were done with Bargnani out. And the conversation moved on.

I don't have the stats, but I feel pretty certain that the team was playing better defence last year, period. Better when Bargnani was out. And better when Bargnani was in. We were certainly winning at a sharper clip.

In another vein, Butch wondered if a reason for our fall of this year is the loss of Bargnani for much of the season's second half. Perhaps losing out on the growth opportunities? Perhaps implying Casey has failed in reinstitution a "working" plan, or recapturing the potential of last year.

Butch faulted Bargnani, in conjunction with a collective Euro for not communicating enough/well on D. "You need three guys back there talking". And that's another player fault that can be projected upon the staff.

I thought Butch was a great coach for the team. His self-ignited flame out is what's kept him off the bench. He went after his GM's job, publicly. That can't be well received with the GM fraternity.

His biggest failing, imo, was not starting Tracy soon enough.
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There was also one key factor that worked last season, and has been a problem this season. Bargnani improved the perimeter defense with his hedging. Now it costs us more often than not. I would guess it worked last season due to a lack of preparation time from opposing teams, and guys like Magloire and Gray ready to hit guys pretty hard in the lane. Now we have bigs trying to avoid too many fouls, and point guards are much more prepared to exploit what opens up for them. When it worked it was a great boon, as it got Bargnani active and moving, and sometimes the momentum alone would lead to some decent help defense and rebounding. And it also disrupted the opposing point of attack enough to really make a difference. It was a simple little trick that helped solve two problems at once. But it was only a trick, and it wasn't going to work over any extended period of time.
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There was also one key factor that worked last season, and has been a problem this season. Bargnani improved the perimeter defense with his hedging. Now it costs us more often than not. I would guess it worked last season due to a lack of preparation time from opposing teams, and guys like Magloire and Gray ready to hit guys pretty hard in the lane. Now we have bigs trying to avoid too many fouls, and point guards are much more prepared to exploit what opens up for them. When it worked it was a great boon, as it got Bargnani active and moving, and sometimes the momentum alone would lead to some decent help defense and rebounding. And it also disrupted the opposing point of attack enough to really make a difference. It was a simple little trick that helped solve two problems at once. But it was only a trick, and it wasn't going to work over any extended period of time.
Agreed, but it's still a trick that can work, but you can't rely on it as a systemic foundation. This defense has very little chaos which it did last year with JJ. It's a big difference in my mind. Not having a SF that can make up for breakdowns with athleticism and strength really hurts us. There have been games where the hedging happens relentlessly.... and we also switch way too much as a result.... some of that is on AB, most of that is on the coaching. Also, why does it seem like we never pound the glass and yet Sacramento was relentless like this. At most we have two guys in there... we need more chaos and randomness.
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