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dfunkie1 04-13-2008 05:20 PM

Bryan, our great GM
is a failure.

i was pretty excited to see him sign as our president and general manager, but past the hype behind his name and tenure with the suns, you have to realize that both is logic and philosophy is flawed. if anything, it was handcrafted for the MLSE quota of play-off revenue over trying to win a championship.

reading these threads about BC's comments on this seasons disappointments, you can see that he clearly lacks accountability for the players he brought to our team.

i understand that a lot of my friends here at raptorsforum don't like sam mitchell, but do realize that his hand has been continuously forced into trying to rectify previous mistakes made by the gm, such as;

-bargs over rasho. no coach in their right mind trying to win games would have an offensive-defensive liability playing over our best interior defender who plays within the offense.

-tj ford over calderon. clearly tj being re-entered into the starting line-up was a choice made with the summer in mind. our coach isn't trying to boost players value and show that his injuries are not a concern. why would he? what exactly does he have to gain by playing the less effective player more minutes?

-kapono not being utilized. think of yourself being the coach. would you want kapono on the court long enough to be utilized? we don't have the personnel to pick-up after defensive liabilities being that nearly every single roster spot is one, or close to it.

i know it's easy to fall under BCs spell, but realize that he doesn't appreciate defensive side of the game enough to become an NBA champion. he talks about gaining toughness like it's our top priority. hasn't this been our top priority for the past six-seven seasons? when you address our need for toughness by signing jason kapono, do you really feel like someone is doing their job towards making us a winner? or do you feel like someone is doing their job at trying to make us offensively exciting? a team that can out-dual enough teams to make it to the play-offs, but nothing more.

am i defending mitchell? yes. do his game decisions cost us? yes

but if you give a carpenter a job with no tools and no supplies, what do you really expect out of them?

gaining the credibility that BC brought us was great considering all the turmoil that this team has face, but realize that with BC running this team that somethings like protecting his pride will coming over protecting the basket.

Benzo 04-13-2008 05:25 PM

Good read, welcome to the forum.

All I would say it is way to soon to judge BC as a failure when we all know it wasn't a 2 year plan.

Torontosaurus 04-13-2008 05:31 PM

Harsh analysis.

True BC made some mistakes, but not every move is gonna net us a Shaq and Kobe. Last year we did improve greatly through his efforts. I don't think anyone could have predicted the emergence of Jose as a starter-worthy PG. I say BC's tenure is still relatively early and he has time to right the ship as our core group of players are still young.

It could be worse - we could have Isaiah for GM

Dr. J. Naismith 04-13-2008 05:34 PM

Nice first post. Well said Tuggle and welcome to RF. ;)

I think this summer is the true test for BC. His true measurement as a GM won't be for the work that he did almost 2 years ago when he first joined this team, but what will and can he do this summer to help take this team to the next level? So far in comparison to last season, this one has been a disappointment where we've regressed quite a bit as a team. :(

I mean, he's brought over some key pieces to the puzzle, but the ones that have made the most impact are the ones we didn't expect it from. (ie Rasho, Moon, Delfino, Garbojosa) While the ones people expected to be difference makers have been some of this team's biggest disappontments not to mention some of the Raptors biggest earners. (ie. Ford and Bargnani)

That being said, if BC sits idol this summer and makes minimal transactions while not really addressing any key concerns like rebounding, toughness, defense and players that can create on offense, then I foresee another season of fans like us pissing and moaning regarding this teams inefficiencies.

Until then I won't give up hope for Colangelo but I am becoming a little more critical and weary of him. Prove me wrong Bryan.

dfunkie1 04-13-2008 05:37 PM

what's up homie ;)

fair enough

judge him with the suns. kurt thomas and bo outlaw are basically the only players i can recall who was signed or traded for to improve their defense/interior play. that's dating back ten years...give or take

Benzo 04-13-2008 05:44 PM

I smell something familiar. :reporter:

Thug 04-13-2008 05:53 PM

In Bryan I trust, that is unless he fucks up this offseason.

'trane 04-13-2008 05:53 PM

try changing your underwear benzo...


Benzo 04-13-2008 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by coltrane (Post 24857)
try changing your underwear benzo...


Yea I should...my underwear is starting to smell funkie.

Dr. J. Naismith 04-13-2008 05:56 PM


Originally Posted by Thug (Post 24856)
In Bryan I trust, that is unless he fucks up this offseason.

That's what I mean. I'm not asking him to clean house and have a fire sale, but there are some significant concerns regarding this team. Ones that do need to be addressed sooner rather than later. :mad:

'trane 04-13-2008 05:56 PM


dfunkie1 04-13-2008 06:02 PM


i hope BC proves me wrong as well. i just don't find his previous transactions, or comments relieving.

concerning bargs, how long does someone sit on a mistake before addressing it?

Thug 04-13-2008 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by Dr. J. Naismith (Post 24860)
That's what I mean. I'm not asking him to clean house and have a fire sale, but there are some significant concerns regarding this team. Ones that do need to be addressed sooner rather than later. :mad:

I would consider BC a disappointment if we don't improve by at least 7 wins next season.

Claudius 04-13-2008 06:10 PM

The one thing I'll say about BC is he's always accountable for his mistakes. I think the things he's said in the media recently has more than shown that he's not happy with the way this progressed. But look at his track record for instance of trying to fix things just with this team:

Fred Jones: Traded Immediately

Juan Dixon: Traded

-Saying he's not happy with this team, the lack of toughness and team first players

- Look at his track record in Phoenix

The thing about BC is that he's essentially taken this team from a laughing stock, resisting the media pressure to sign Mike James (remember those days when there were enough people who claimed we needed him back). He's brought us credibility and he's attempting and my opinion has successfully changed the culture of this team, being one where it's o.k. to make mistakes to accountability on the court and more importantly, winning as a team and losing as a team. In our history, can we say in all honesty, that we have ever experienced this? Even during the VC years? No. This is why BC has done MORE than what we suspected.

Oh and also, look at some of the finds we have had lately. Jamario, Delfino, Jorge, A.P. These are signings the SPURS make. We made them and finding these pieces are far more difficult than actually finding franchise players.

It's the players jobs to play. They win and lose. Let's give them some blame.

lang 04-13-2008 06:23 PM

Welcome to RF, Tugglebled. That was a great argument and first post!

dfunkie1 04-13-2008 06:42 PM

i understand what you're saying claudius, but that's more to do with his reputation opposed to his production. as soon as the inked dried, our creditability grew tremendously. i know it takes time to change a teams culture, but there hasn't been a drastic change from the VC era.

i agree that both parker and garbo were great finds in a weak free agent class, but both came over to our organization in their 30's at near MLE cost.

i belief that blame should be equally shared, but when you go out and buy a cat, you shouldn't expect it to learn how to bark.

The MVP of West Hollywood 04-13-2008 06:53 PM

Way too early to write him off

Right now, BC has made us into a middle ground playoff team in his 2 years thus far. What he does from now will define whether he's a success or failure. Rasho's expiring, what we can get for TJ, the coach, etc.

We're still in a solid position, I'm sure a lot of teams would love to have 2 core players like Jose and Bosh. With the league the way it is now most of the best teams seem to have the PG + big guy combo (Utah, New Orleans, Phoenix, San Antonio). Right now that combination is just a bit worse than than Utah and New Orleans', the PG is obviously not as good, but Bosh is better than West and Boozer IMO. The difference with those teams is that they have a better 3rd-4th player after that (Peja/Chandler and Okur/AK) and much much much better coaching. If Bargnani becomes Okur and we get a serviceable coach, we don't look too bad. The good news is we have lots of time to do it.

dfunkie1 04-13-2008 07:11 PM

BC inherited both bosh and calderon. i understand that we have tradable assets with the likes of rasho and tj, but my whole argument is whether BC will be able to address our true needs or we he continue to build our team as a middle of the pack team. He both built and maintained two very good teams in phoenix, never to address the weakness that prevented them from becoming elite. i know that BC is one of the top executives in the league, it isn't a matter of writing him off, it's a matter of accepting the fact that his philosophy isnt as glorious as his individual accomplishments.

Acie 04-13-2008 07:16 PM

I love this guy, seriously.

Welcome aboard.

Acie 04-13-2008 07:30 PM

BC = MJ of GM's

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