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Old 01-22-2009, 09:24 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hereís the interesting point to me: Everyone and anyone is to blame and thereís no clear-cut villain in this latest streak, or this whole season as a matter of fact.

No oneís doing a good enough job.

Sure, some nights some players play well and coaches do the right thing and the general managerís roster looks like it might work.

And then they play again and they all fail.

Me? I have to put a lot of this on the general manager, who constructed the roster and made the move to whack Sam way back in the day.

Iím pretty sure that Bryan would agree with me that his performance has been subpar, either because he over-estimated the skill of the team he put together or because his gamble on the OíNeal trade really hasnít paid off.

Being the general manager of any team in any sport is an exercise in adaptation and how he adapts to the mess the teamís in will tell us all a lot about his skills.

Itís easy to run things, or play for a team, when things are going well. Itís how people react to tough times that tells you all about them.
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sounds an awful lot like what i have been saying for the past month... BC has constructed this awful team and we are suffering through a season brought on mainly due to the JO deal. It's no wonder he can't make a deal for pretty much anyone on our roster...
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Old 01-22-2009, 09:33 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Maybe its just me, but I think I'm pass the point of caring now. With BC standing pat and not doing anything, Raptors basketball is quickly getting boring really fast now-a-days.
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Old 01-22-2009, 09:43 AM   #3 (permalink)
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sounds an awful lot like what i have been saying for the past month... BC has constructed this awful team and we are suffering through a season brought on mainly due to the JO deal. It's no wonder he can't make a deal for pretty much anyone on our roster...
So, what's your solution? What's Doug's solution?

I'm tired of reading just criticism. Hell, criticisms are like assholes, everyone's got one.

BC IS to blame for it right now. That's obvious. But really, it's been a failed experiment. It happens. I've moved on and have actually offered reasonable things that should be done.

I'm just tired of hearing, he's to blame and that's it. No follow up.
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We'll be fine.

There's nowhere to go but up.

Jack and Devlin put it best last night. There were several things that were question marks/gambles and unfortunately not one of them has worked out in our favour.
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Maybe its just me, but I think I'm pass the point of caring now. With BC standing pat and not doing anything, Raptors basketball is quickly getting boring really fast now-a-days.
BC standing pat and not doing anything? From all accounts he's working the lines harder than any other GM right now.

What do you want him to do? Sign some more free agents? Forge trade documents and send them to NBA head office? "Raptors trade Jamario Moon for Danny Granger...they then traded Will Soloman for Rodney Stuckey."

Yeah, BC deserves a lot of the blame, he put this team together, but I just don't get this..."Why isn't BC doing anything" nonsense. It's like people are living in some kind of a fantasy world where the Raptors have a ton of trade bait/cap room and can just get whoever they want.
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Old 01-22-2009, 10:11 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I really regret that the first time of my life i actually get to go to a couple of Raptors games it's this season. The mood is really dull down at the ACC and i just wish i could of experienced it during the playoffs. This sunday i'm taking my brother to the game since it's his b-day but he must be thinking "WTF kinda b-day gift is this? If I wanted to see failure I would just look at my brothers report cards" lol.. i'm a bad student
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lol this just in, a genius on here said BC was overrated a long, long time ago :P Now alot of ppl are coming around, too bad it takes completely sucking ass to realize he isnt the basketball guru alot seemed to think he was. As much as Claudius is sick of not hearing ppl suggest solutions, im even more sick of "the backup plan" all this magical cap room that will make us so good if we blow it up, thats all poo. If we truely blow it up we would be in the same spot as when BC got here, cap room, high pick, but perhaps no Bosh, if that was his big 3-4 year plan, he is not only not a genius, he is a moron.
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So, what's your solution? What's Doug's solution?

I'm tired of reading just criticism. Hell, criticisms are like assholes, everyone's got one.

BC IS to blame for it right now. That's obvious. But really, it's been a failed experiment. It happens. I've moved on and have actually offered reasonable things that should be done.

I'm just tired of hearing, he's to blame and that's it. No follow up.
aaahhh shaddup.

he ain't no chump. Chumps in papers make solutions. Ain't his job to make solutions, it's his job to point out the error in the ways.

You're not a nieve man CG, you know how Newspapers have operated since Jesus was a babe!!!!

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Old 01-22-2009, 10:23 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I really regret that the first time of my life i actually get to go to a couple of Raptors games it's this season. The mood is really dull down at the ACC and i just wish i could of experienced it during the playoffs. This sunday i'm taking my brother to the game since it's his b-day but he must be thinking "WTF kinda b-day gift is this? If I wanted to see failure I would just look at my brothers report cards" lol.. i'm a bad student

hahah, im in the same boat as you except this was the first season i decided to buy seasons tickets
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Old 01-22-2009, 10:38 AM   #10 (permalink)
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People and media talk about Raptors trading their players all the time, how can they feel safe and happy and play with heart? BC should not talk to media about what he's been after. He should just do it if he can. If he cannot, he should just shut up.
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lol this just in, a genius on here said BC was overrated a long, long time ago :P Now alot of ppl are coming around, too bad it takes completely sucking ass to realize he isnt the basketball guru alot seemed to think he was. As much as Claudius is sick of not hearing ppl suggest solutions, im even more sick of "the backup plan" all this magical cap room that will make us so good if we blow it up, thats all poo. If we truely blow it up we would be in the same spot as when BC got here, cap room, high pick, but perhaps no Bosh, if that was his big 3-4 year plan, he is not only not a genius, he is a moron.


not much needed to be added to this accurate assesment.

SAVE OUR RAPTORS!!!
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Old 01-22-2009, 12:35 PM   #12 (permalink)
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We can take solace in the fact that since he has all the power and his golden reputation is on the line, it's a sure bet Mr.Colangelo will make us all better.

(I see Doug's still up Sam's ass.)
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Old 01-22-2009, 12:45 PM   #13 (permalink)
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not much needed to be added to this accurate assesment.

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we won't be in the same spot at all. we have a more mature star and two nice complemetary pieces. we also will not be in the wake of a vc defec(a)tion.

the truth is that there were no good options on the table, so bc took a gamble that hasn't worked out, but that still has a great upside even if everuthing goes tits up. be sick of it all you want, but it's the truth. patience is a virtue, especially for a gm. rashness only brings a gigantic clusterfuck like we had when we signed ad, jyd, alvin, etc.
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we won't be in the same spot at all. we have a more mature star and two nice complemetary pieces. we also will not be in the wake of a vc defec(a)tion.

the truth is that there were no good options on the table, so bc took a gamble that hasn't worked out, but that still has a great upside even if everuthing goes tits up. be sick of it all you want, but it's the truth. patience is a virtue, especially for a gm. rashness only brings a gigantic clusterfuck like we had when we signed ad, jyd, alvin, etc.
What mature star? This whole thread idea is to dump Bosh and roll with AB?? AB at best is where Bosh was when BC got here, but Bosh was more consistent. We will be in pretty much the same spot + a decent PG, almost no depth and horrible guards. If it takes you 3 years just to upgrade your PG spot and going with the theme of this thread lose Bosh for little to nothing? I would hope BC himself would know that is utter failure and use it to motivate himself.
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bosh is the mature star. i don't see how this whole thread is about getting rid of him.

the 3 year plan was not to improve the pg position. the fact was that we had cap flexibility, but no good options to spend it. bc made a deal that could have helped (and didn't) but still has great upside, even if it collapses. i honestly don't understand why you guys don't see that as a plus. what choices could he have mad einstead? who is the magical person that we could have realistically traded for or signed that would have helped us? there were no good options, so he took a gambled and kept that same flexibility to be used down the road. that's vision, imo. a gm without long term vision might as well be a forum poster.
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to me none of this matters, its all about pieces under a cap.

nobody want to acknowledge the "luck" factor, and face it, thats the only factor that will work to make Toronto a winner. Ever.

The MLSE ain't ever going over the cap, and the buck is falling so it may be even worse than that. So called stars, mature or whatever,. are all interchangeable, you can sign whoever for whatever salary, the people that will win it for you, as one of the "under the cap" teams, are the ones you draft, the youngins that you get lucky with, the euro signings that you get lucky with.

Thats what type of team toronto is.... all teams under the cap are gamble teams.

period.
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bosh is the mature star. i don't see how this whole thread is about getting rid of him.

the 3 year plan was not to improve the pg position. the fact was that we had cap flexibility, but no good options to spend it. bc made a deal that could have helped (and didn't) but still has great upside, even if it collapses. i honestly don't understand why you guys don't see that as a plus. what choices could he have mad einstead? who is the magical person that we could have realistically traded for or signed that would have helped us? there were no good options, so he took a gambled and kept that same flexibility to be used down the road. that's vision, imo. a gm without long term vision might as well be a forum poster.
Ok i understand if we keep Bosh, we would be a bit better position, but to keep him, it's going to be max. The max is very likely going down after the new CBA, so i really think Bosh will stay. But still, all you have to show for 3 years is Bosh who was already here, Calderon who was already here, and a bunch of crap that never worked out, and we thought was better then the crap we used to have, but really, is about as bad as our 27 win season. IF AB actually works out, i will give BC some credit, but he will no doubt want his $ in a few years if he became what some of you think he can. We need a tier 2 allstar type guard at worst imo, we need a shot creator if we are staying with Calde, that never comes cheap either, unless BC drafts very well, which i guess we can all hope for. Anyways, long post just to say, he hasnt done much except let players that were already here develop (altho coaches have more to do with that imo, ppl hated Sam but he helped Bosh a ton, and i think he tried his best with AB, most of it was AB's fault, this is the NBA you cant just spoonfeed every rookie, they need to work hard and be self motivated to succeed at a high level) and he got us a PG, 3 years, thats a pretty long time.
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i'm not syaing it;s been a roaring success, but you can't polish a turd. there were no credible options, so he took a gamble that had a safe out. what else could he possibly have done? that's what i'm taloking about with vision. he took a very difficult situation and found a possibility that had potential (and most of us though the jo trade was a good idea at the time) but that also had a built-in plan b. to me, that's brilliant.
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It's a damned if you do-damned if you don't for the life of a GM. If Colangelo didn't deal for JO and we still had Ford, Rasho and those dudes and we were in the same situation now, you'd hear the same bellyaching from the same fans. Instead, he took a chance, attempting to address the hole at the 5, secondary scoring, rebounding and toughness, hoping it would pan out (be realistic who could we really have received with a package of TJ, Rasho and a 1st? Not a very good one). It wasn't a deal that hampered the franchise - if it worked out, great, but if it didn't, at least it wouldn't have handcuffed this franchise for years.
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It's a damned if you do-damned if you don't for the life of a GM. If Colangelo didn't deal for JO and we still had Ford, Rasho and those dudes and we were in the same situation now, you'd hear the same bellyaching from the same fans. Instead, he took a chance, attempting to address the hole at the 5, secondary scoring, rebounding and toughness, hoping it would pan out (be realistic who could we really have received with a package of TJ, Rasho and a 1st? Not a very good one). It wasn't a deal that hampered the franchise - if it worked out, great, but if it didn't, at least it wouldn't have handcuffed this franchise for years.
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