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Old 02-14-2009, 01:16 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 02-14-2009, 01:39 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 02-14-2009, 01:40 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Old 02-14-2009, 01:50 AM   #4 (permalink)
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- Says this is about both the rest of the season and the offseason, but the biggest effect is giving us more flexibility down the road, sooner than he expected after he made the JO deal

- Says this is about Marion the player and not purely the capspace. Sounds like he wants to keep and resign Marion longterm and sign Parker, Graham, Delfino

- Mentions that with the JO deal, we'd have a lot less options this summer. We could maybe sign Delfino but wouldn't be able to get Parker, Graham, etc., and our team would be left really thin.

- The pick wasn't included for a long time. Mentions the cash coming back. Says cash all but guarantees we can replace the pick. Says the pick we lose will be so far out in the future, we want to win now. Doesn't sound too confident in picking lower than 15 anyways.

- Marion will play the 4 a lot. Like Ukic and Kapono's play lately.

- Thinks cap will go down a bit. He says this was not a move to create 'cap space' or space to go after FAs. If he renounced everyone they'd have 10-11 mil to spend he thinks but he doesn't think that'll happen. He wants to resign Delfino, Parker, and Marion if he can. He wants Marion to fit and be considered a part of the future. Not a rental player at all.

- Says Marion's numbers went down because of the game Miami players, not Marion's physical career status. Lots of basketball left in him. Need him to defend on the wing.

- Bargs turned the corner when JO went out. Thinks Bargs' outside game is complimentary to Bosh and Bosh gets most of his points from the low post. uhhhhhhhh

- Marion perfect compliment to this combination because he's one of the best SF rebounders in the league

- Marion/Bosh/Bargnani looks to be very favorable. Really sounds like he wants Marion here long term.

- Moon included because Miami needed a SF after losing Marion. His inclusion also makes the deal completley money neutral, something like 18,000 seperate the sides. (Sounds like bull... he got squeezed!)

- Goes over cap hold system and renouncing system, repeats Parker and Graham stay on our cap until we either renounce or resign them, only get 10-12 space if everyone is renounced. The reporters are acting like confused n00bs.

- Repeats we're better off utilizing all the players we having and maintaining their asset value rather than go under the cap this year. Ok, it's pretty much a total lock we're keeping Parker/Graham/Delfino this year. BC can't make it more obvious.

- BC PWNS FESCHUK!!! Basically shoves his false Marbury rumor in his face.

- Ouch, Jermaine wasn't available by phone for BC, he had to text

- 3 bigs looked good sometimes. But more often than not, two hungry mouths to feed. Ball went in a lot and not coming out. Damn, he burned JO's blackholeness. We're gonna see a better flow now. Marion will run the floor a lot and present an oppurtunity to push the ball.

- Still think Jose was the right PG to keep. Thinks in retrospect, TJ for Marion would be a pretty solid deal last summer. Hesitant to admit mistakes as always.

- Says he would never make purely a fiscal move. This move makes us better now and we *may* make a run for the playoffs (doesn't sound confident), but sets us up nice for the future. Says 17-10 to end year is possible. Says a team he's in charge of would never just lay down.
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Old 02-14-2009, 01:53 AM   #5 (permalink)
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So the biggest thing coming out of this is that we're clearly holding onto Parker, Delfino, Graham's rights this year instead of having 'cap space', and we're gonna try and keep Marion if he fits well. This is the right move IMO. Giving up those three guys wouldn't be worth Ariza or whatever we get back, if we could.
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Old 02-14-2009, 02:06 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I wish I believed as much as Colangelo does. Yet in some way, that gives me faith based on his track record.

I agree with his plan for the off-season.

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Old 02-14-2009, 02:33 AM   #7 (permalink)
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BC said if he renounce joey/parker/marion/delfino we still have 11-12 millions to play with.

We we can't get a good SG in the draft, then sign Ben Gordon. He can create his own shots. I know the Back court will be soo terrible at d, but his still a creator/ball handler we can get. sign him for about 5-6 million, then sign Rasho to be our back up center, for about 3-4 million.

PG: Calderon/Ukic/Banks
SG: Parker/Delfino/Draft player or Ben Gordon
SF: Marion/Joey/Kapono
PF: Bosh/Jawai/Humpries
C: Bargs/Rasho/Voshkul

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Solid 15 man team, we get the "depth" back.

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Old 02-14-2009, 02:37 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Renounce, not re-announce. We lose the players if we renounce them. And Gordon will cost like 10 mil and is definitely not what we need anyways : )
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Old 02-14-2009, 02:41 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Renounce, not re-announce. We lose the players if we renounce them. And Gordon will cost like 10 mil and is definitely not what we need anyways : )
I was just saying he would be a back-up plan if don't land a good SG at the draft.

But im still aiming at signing rasho for cheap. I like him (no homo) he play within his skills set, underrated passer (look at idiana games), high basketball IQ. He would definitly welcome him back here, plus he like the city of Toronto.
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Old 02-14-2009, 03:16 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Thanks so much for the re-cap The MVP of West Hollywood!
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Old 02-14-2009, 04:48 AM   #11 (permalink)
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it frustrates me when people get choked at BC for making certain moves, well let say we let him go who else can we get that is better than BC, BC has good relationship with everyone but Phoenex, he can get trades done

just the fact that he is so well connected helps, if he did the Vince deal we would have got much more, look at Jermaine Oneal he is a bigger injury risk that Carter ever was and he got marion, I'm not saying he would have got a great player back but probably more than babs

two years in a row in the playoffs, hell to me thats worth a ton, plus his credibility around the league with players makes him worth the money mlse is paying

another thing he never sits still and he is always trying to get better
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Old 02-14-2009, 05:01 AM   #12 (permalink)
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The more I think of it, the more I believe Marion is here probably for a while... I dunno, that makes me kind of excited

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Old 02-14-2009, 09:22 AM   #13 (permalink)
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BC said if he renounce joey/parker/marion/delfino we still have 11-12 millions to play with.

We we can't get a good SG in the draft, then sign Ben Gordon. He can create his own shots. I know the Back court will be soo terrible at d, but his still a creator/ball handler we can get. sign him for about 5-6 million, then sign Rasho to be our back up center, for about 3-4 million.

PG: Calderon/Ukic/Banks
SG: Parker/Delfino/Draft player or Ben Gordon
SF: Marion/Joey/Kapono
PF: Bosh/Jawai/Humpries
C: Bargs/Rasho/Voshkul

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Solid 15 man team, we get the "depth" back.
If everyone is renounced, they wont be on the team for starters.
second, NO WAY Gordon signs for 5-6 million per year.
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Old 02-14-2009, 11:52 AM   #14 (permalink)
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that's not accurate - we can rennounce our free agents, use the 14 millions to go after a big gun, and then resign parker and graham using our exceptions. If we let everybody go, we'll have 45 mils in salaries. Get a good SF/SG for 12 and we're at 57. Get another free agent for 3 and use 8 millions in exceptions to sign parker, graham and 1-2 more veterans to fill the roster. We'll end up with 68+ millions in salaries, which will be right at the luxury cap if it drops a little as expected.

So I think BC is bullshitting the reporters, since he can't go forward and say Marion is on tryouts now, or that he'll let parker and graham on the free agency market. I think the reporters are idiots for even asking questions that can only have one answer.
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Old 02-14-2009, 12:17 PM   #15 (permalink)
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- BC PWNS FESCHUK!!! Basically shoves his false Marbury rumor in his face.
this quote, along with one above it that says the reporters are nOObs, I mean come on, NOObs??

You guys have short memories and for get the utter bullshit you write on this site everyday. Reporters have a job to do, they sell papers with stories, they report on rumours because asshats like you need feul for your water cooler and for your messageboard addictions. This place would be pretty bare if there were never any speculations or rumours wouldn't it.

The hate for the guys that have to cover this shitty team day is and day out needs to stop.

1. Most writers holding beat positions in North America know more than all of us.

2. If you had to follow the Toronto Raptors everyday, and just called it like it was......the stories you would read would be 5x worse. This is college newspaper world, this isn't rah rah rah with an agenda, these guys write for automomous comapnies that have ZERO owing to the MLSE. They don't get paid not to report on rmours, and they certainly arent being "owned" or "pwned" or whatever you dweebs say nowadays by GM's when they refute articles they probably forget writing at this point.

Get over it.
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I can't wait till after the all-star break. I really want to see what this team can do
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Thanks for the recap MVP
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Whats Marions new number. Just wanna know before I buy a jersey
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good job MVP. most MVP-like.
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I'm strongly beginning to dislike BC. I've defended him previously, but after reading this, I just don't like the team he's trying to build.

I'm not a Delfino fan. I don't know what Raptor fans really see in him. He's another inconsistent wing. Yes, he rebounds well for a guard, but hell, I'd rather have kept Jamario then who does the same thing but would likely be cheaper.

AP, as SJ says, I can see in a Ron Harper role, but only as a SG. I don't want to see him running the point any longer. Plus, his salary has to come down as I don't think he's a starter any longer. He's a great guy for 20-25 mins. per game. Any more and we're asking too much.

Unless Marion decides to sign for less then just let him walk unless you're upgrading the SG position with a trade.

And if we resign Marion then why sign Joey? Joey plays best in that flex role where he plays the 3/4, much like Marion. If you have Marion on the squad long term then Joey become redundant. Might as well trade him to capitalize on his good play as of late.

Of course everything he said is probably bullshit as he is likely playing his cards close to his chest and I really hope that's the case.
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