Bryan Colangelo approval rating - pre-trade deadline

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Old 02-18-2013, 02:28 AM   #1 (permalink)
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A lot of people at the start of the season wanted BC gone. That was before the Rudy Gay trade. Has that made a difference in peoples' opinion?

He may or may not make another move before the deadline, and if he does, I'll put another one of these up, but I just wanted to check the barometer now, and see what people think.

So the question is, do you approve of the job that BC has done, and would you extend him? Or would you let him go?
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Old 02-18-2013, 02:38 AM   #2 (permalink)
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The GAY trade was a massive steal, plus the way he is not taking the easiest offer for Bargs is sure raising his value.... plus the DeRozan contract isnt looking that bad now.

If we can land someone good for Bargs (no more wings) then Ill be very pleased on how he has done this season.
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Old 02-18-2013, 02:52 AM   #3 (permalink)
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It still too early to tell; yes Gay was a steal but so as long Barg is still here I cannot relax. Hopefully BC can change my opinion on him within 4 days as the trade deadline end Thursday. I know those Barg fanboy will bash me on this but I dont want to see Barg in a raptor uniform after this week.
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Old 02-18-2013, 02:52 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I was (one of the few) that still supported BC at the start of the season. I thought that he had put together a team that was better than its record. I think it was MLSE's fault that they only gave him a 2+ year extension...granted his record wasn't the best, but 2 years isn't enough time to "stick to the plan".

I think BC has done well in building this team, with pieces like DeMar, Amir, Valanciunas, Lowry, Ross (the departed Ed Davis) and now Gay. That's a really solid team going forward.

I have a feeling that Bargs is here past the deadline, and I won't blame BC for that one, if fact, if the offers are too low, I'll take Bargnani back until the off-season as a stretch 4 coming off of the bench, and hope that he improves his stock.

I think that this team is on the way up, and the Gay trade was a huge coup. I personally would extend BC for another 2-3 years and see where this team is by then. I think that the Raps are set up pretty well for the future.
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Old 02-18-2013, 02:58 AM   #5 (permalink)
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The Gay trade is a great move but we are very thin at the PG spot and time to deal Bargs too. Too bad we has to trade Ed, I wish it was Bargs instead of Ed.
If Lowry can stay healthy we should be ok, but the big question is IF.
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Old 02-18-2013, 02:59 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I was ok with him before. Disappointed we were heading in direction of the lottery. The way he utilized sell high - buy low principle with the trade was awesome. Hope he still has magic left not to give away Andrea for peanuts.
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:16 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I find it amazing that I'm the first person to click no to the poll, versus 5 who said they approve of the job he's done. Toronto fans what have you done for me lately attitude is rearing its head once again. One good trade doesnt take away an absolutely horrendous tenure as GM of this team, and even with that deal we're still not going to make the playoffs this season.

I dont see how anyone can say they approve of the job hes done as GM over the past 7(?) years. We made the playoffs twice and have still yet to establish a consistent winning culture. If he was doing a good job we'd at least be in the position ATL was a few years ago in being a 1st or 2nd round team every season, which would be more than acceptable for us seeing as we've never really had that over the course of 4-5+ seasons.
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:36 AM   #8 (permalink)
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what else can we do in the situation we're in? we don't have enough cap to sign anybody even if we were to hypothetically amnesty Bargnani, and our assets aren't really the best unless we're willing to split up the core.
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:51 AM   #9 (permalink)
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He's done about as good of a job as a monkey so he's gotta go so we can get some human input into our problems.
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His time here has been more than ample, and largely futile. The list of bad contracts he's doled out reads like a who's who of basketball serfdom and has wielded little to no team success. In addition, I think his drafting record is ordinary.

Time to bring in Sir Charles.
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Old 02-18-2013, 04:01 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Do I approve? I don't trust him, so I guess that puts me in the "no" column.

When I first joined the board, I had no problem defending him because certain transactions appeared to be genuine attempts to improve the team, like the JO trade. And his job was harder than people acknowledged, so the gamble made sense to me. But as time goes on, there has been a pattern of overpaying for players and saying one thing while doing another. I'm at a point where I genuinely dislike him as a person, or at least the image he conveys through the media.

Having said that, from a basketball perspective, he might not be able to cause much damage if re-signed for 2 years. Just 2. He likely won't break up the core of JV, Amir, DD, Rudy and Lowry. So, really, there are only a few significant basketball decisions to be made. We probably relinquish our 1st round pick to OKC this year, and our second rounder goes to Memphis, so he probably won't be selecting a pick for us in June even if re-signed. So for making picks that would only leave next year's draft if he were on a 2 year deal. Aside from that, there is a potential Bargnani trade and the use of the MLE. He might scew up, but I don't think he could do anything major enough to totally fuck us passed a couple of years. Well, maybe he really overpays Lowry. I guess that could fuck us.

I'm directing this at the others who don't approve. Because regardless of what we think, Colangelo is almost certainly getting re-signed. The length of his extension is probably the real question. Pray it's only 2 years.
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Old 02-18-2013, 04:42 AM   #12 (permalink)
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If you wanted to fire him, it should have been when (or before) Bosh bolted.
Not many GMs survive that kind of kick in the nuts.

After that he did what he is supposed to. Incremental improvement through draft and trades.
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A lot of people at the start of the season wanted BC gone. That was before the Rudy Gay trade. Has that made a difference in peoples' opinion?
To me, a (very) good trade doesn't erase almost 7 years of bullshits.
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Old 02-18-2013, 08:26 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Just look at our record the past 7 years. Nuff said.

Look at the return we got for a perennial all star which got us only our own draft pick back which we never should have traded in the first place.

Look at what he got for our first overall pick. A guy who can't even be a spark on the bench.

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Sorry, he has no direction, no idea, no plan on building a team that can compete in the playoffs.

His moves are & always have been about making stupid gambles & throwing shit on a wall and hoping it sticks. Landry Fields Quentin Richardson Linas Kleiza Marcus Banks Jason Kapono on and on and on.

Nash made him look better than he is and if it wasn't for that gamble paying off, he would have been a run of the mill GM on a lottery team.

Toronto fans are always stupid and never hold poor management accountable.

Always blame star players for leaving here and never on management who consistently fails on surrounding them with the right pieces.

You want to know something? The worst teams around the league all have one thing in common.
They all have bad GM's. That includes the Raptors.

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Old 02-18-2013, 09:11 AM   #15 (permalink)
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he's done alright, it hasn't been the greatest ride for the Raptors in the past few years. We've had 2 playoff appearances (didn't win either of these series) and he's gambled on some pretty crappy players like Bargnani, Jermaine O'Neal and Turkoglu. As of recent, he's made some pretty good trades acquiring Lowry and Gay, and some rookies such as J-Val and Ross that look like they will be stars in the future.
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I find it amazing that I'm the first person to click no to the poll, versus 5 who said they approve of the job he's done. Toronto fans what have you done for me lately attitude is rearing its head once again. One good trade doesnt take away an absolutely horrendous tenure as GM of this team, and even with that deal we're still not going to make the playoffs this season.

I dont see how anyone can say they approve of the job hes done as GM over the past 7(?) years. We made the playoffs twice and have still yet to establish a consistent winning culture. If he was doing a good job we'd at least be in the position ATL was a few years ago in being a 1st or 2nd round team every season, which would be more than acceptable for us seeing as we've never really had that over the course of 4-5+ seasons.
Pretty hard to do any of that when, over that stretch, we couldn't attract a free agent for our lives, and even some players that had the potential to be traded here talked down Toronto as both a city and a team...
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Old 02-18-2013, 12:16 PM   #17 (permalink)
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wow its very surprising to me that more people approve of Colangelo than disapprove (although it is tight) and im even more surprised at people that feel its too early to tell. he has been here for 7 years, how much more time do you need to assess his job here?


if you approve of 7 years and only 2 quick playoff runs, one star leaving for absolutely nothing, really over paying for guys, trying to build around non franchise players time and again, never truly being bad enough to net a top pick in the draft or good enough to make any playoff noise, and capping out a team that at best looks to be early playoff fodder for the Miami Heat then thats just sad.

Bryan Colagnelo has made this team mediocre, and fans seem to be fine with that (or are still waiting to decide how they feel)
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Old 02-18-2013, 01:15 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I'm directing this at the others who don't approve. Because regardless of what we think, Colangelo is almost certainly getting re-signed. The length of his extension is probably the real question. Pray it's only 2 years.

I think you're right on this one. I think he stuck with the rebuilding plan for as long as he could, hell, he even brought in Ed Stefanski to help him to STOP from making moves. Then when his contract was looking like it wouldn't get renewed, he made another "swing for the fences" move. I think this is his best move, but I also think it's the move that gets him re-signed.

Like I said earlier in the thread, I think we're a team that's on the upswing, and we're definitely a playoff team next year, and (hopefully) for years after that. So I hope BC gets re-signed for 2 + a club option or a 3 year deal.
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Anyone who says yes is an idiot.
Just the opening sentence says to me that you are very close minded (at least on this topic) Not everything is black and white..
I said yes, I think he made some good/alright moves lately. He has the right vision for the future. BC is not the best GM, but he is by no means terrible. IMO they should give him 2more years and let him finish rebuilding
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Old 02-18-2013, 01:35 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Total F for spending on free-agent Money (Hedo, Landry, Kapono).

Another F for keeping Bargnani too long.

Another F for letting Bosh go for nothing in return.

Take out the JO trade, he has made some good trades like Amir Johnson, Humphries, and getting rid of contracts like Hedo, Kapono.

Solid draft picks with Demar @ 9, Jonas @ 5, and Ed Davis @ 13.

Trading for Gay and finally bringing an all-star talent and go-to-player A plus.

Let BC finsih the JOB. He made some big time gambles to surrond Bsoh with some talent. With Gay, he has a good core nucleus with Demar, Jonas, Lowry, and Amir.
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