Bryan Colangelo. - Page 4
Old 11-06-2012, 02:45 PM   #61 (permalink)
blah!

nosce te ipsum


 
fancylad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: east side.
Posts: 14,623
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thriller92 View Post
In short: Hes a horrible GM whos done a horrible job in Toronto. He only still has a job because of his last name and because of our horrible ownership. I'm looking forward to when he's gone.
This is harsh, but it's hard to argue otherwise. So far the results tend to agree with you. This year is very much up in the air, but so far two of his moves look like they might be the last two nails in the coffin. Namely Fields followed by Ross *(and before any of you jump on me for coming to conclusions about a rookie who has only played 3 games - i'm not actually coming to any conclusions).

Thriller is right. MLSE are garbage at judging their teams' management. Straight up garbage. I don't know what goes on in these board meetings, but it sure looks like nothing more than one massive beurocratic circle jerk in the name of 'sports entertainment'. The only reason why Colangelo is still here is because of his pheonix days and his one year here. That's it. everything else has been a failure.

We'll see what happens this year. I would think it's his last chance.

Last edited by fancylad; 11-06-2012 at 02:51 PM.
fancylad is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2012, 02:47 PM   #62 (permalink)
is praying Ross makes us forget Drummond so people stop whining

Senior Member
 
jeffb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 74,754
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fancylad View Post
everything else has been a failure.
everything?
jeffb is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2012, 02:49 PM   #63 (permalink)
blah!

nosce te ipsum


 
fancylad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: east side.
Posts: 14,623
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
everything?
looking at the big picture..... yeah pretty much. Sure there are some bright spots like a player here or there, but it hasn't translated into any success.
fancylad is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2012, 02:51 PM   #64 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Canadia
Posts: 585
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
everything?
well considering we're still a lottery team.. yeah.
Luckedout is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2012, 02:54 PM   #65 (permalink)
The Man Who Does Everything

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 3,822
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RAPMAN View Post
Yes, the 2006 draft was bad, but the franchise would have been in a much better place with Gay or Aldridge. I'll take Aldridge and Bosh over Bargnani and Bosh 100 times over 100 times. Take look at the last 25 or 30 years of the NBA draft, Bargnani is in the bottom 10. People bash Derozan and Ed Davis, Derozan was drafted @ 9, if the 2009 draft was re-done now, Derozan would probably be picked in the same position. The same can be said with Ed Davis @ 13. Raptors had the No. 1 pick, and probably obtained the 6th best player (Aldridge, Gay, Rondo, Lowry, Millsap) in the draft.
Quote:
Originally Posted by kishan13 View Post
All that is so much easier to say now but back when we had the 1st pick, we didn't know how all these players would turn out. So many teams could make excuses like you are right now. "If we drafted ______ instead of ______ we'd be so much better." We drafted Bargnani so deal with it. If you don't like him its your problem.
From what I remember, It was Bargnani, Tyrus Thomas and Aldridge drifting between the 1-3 spot. A lot of ppl wanted Tyrus Thomas because he was being compared to Marion and we needed a wing player during that time too.

Look where Tyrus Thomas is now and Chicago must feel stupid trading Aldridge for him. When Gay was drafted, if you were watching the show, all the analyst hated that pick that Mephis made due to his immaturity and being the yongest player in that draft. Again he proved everyone wrong. Roy dropped because he had knee problems and there was a warning on him. The top players in that draft were Randy Foye and Brandon Roy. Top player Adam Morrison and JJ Reddick were considered to be busts eve nafter having a great career in college. Overall Bargnani seemed like the real deal and he was a 7 footer who had potential and range to spread the floor. Keep in mind that the Raptors were still a shooting team and this would have benefited him.

However I do admit that BC sometimes do rush things over such as, trading for JO than realizing how good Hibbert could have become. Getting Jarrett Jack hoping Bosh would stay because they were college teammates. In the end the Bosh era was Bosh's fault for not being direct stating he wants to leave. That would have made his life much easier, but instead he just kept on whining and made tweets about where he should go
JDMtors is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2012, 02:55 PM   #66 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,784
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kishan13 View Post
All that is so much easier to say now but back when we had the 1st pick, we didn't know how all these players would turn out. So many teams could make excuses like you are right now. "If we drafted ______ instead of ______ we'd be so much better." We drafted Bargnani so deal with it. If you don't like him its your problem.
The thread is about evaluating the work of Bryan Colangelo. One major aspect of the job is the NBA Draft. Drafting the wrong player especially with the No. 1 pick will set back the franchise for many years. Just look at our record the last couple of years. Look at the record of Washington when the drafted Kwame, or Clippers when they drafted Olowakandi. Yes, we don't know how these NBA prospects will turn out, but its the GM responsibilty to draft the best player available. BC dropped the ball in the 2006 draft!!
RAPMAN is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2012, 03:07 PM   #67 (permalink)
is praying Ross makes us forget Drummond so people stop whining

Senior Member
 
jeffb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 74,754
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fancylad View Post
looking at the big picture..... yeah pretty much. Sure there are some bright spots like a player here or there, but it hasn't translated into any success.
I tend to look at it in two stages.

Stage 1: First 4 seasons were pretty good, two playoff appearances (should have been 3 ...2009-10 was a good team imo), a Division title and executive of the year.

Stage 2: Bosh leaves, rebuild begins. IMO he's done a pretty good job with the rebuild, after two painful seasons we're starting to look like playoff contenders again. That imo is a decent pace and he also hired a very good HC in Casey.


Now, he's been far from perfect to say the least. Overall though, he's very good with making trades, good-very good at drafting, has been poor with signing FA's even though i believe your ptions are limited as a GM here and often have to overpay no matter what. And i would also say that the vast majority of his moves have been met with positivity, which for me means a lot.

Last edited by jeffb; 11-06-2012 at 03:47 PM.
jeffb is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2012, 03:21 PM   #68 (permalink)
payin Dwyane Wade

Senior Member
 
JoeyJoJo Shabbadu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 4,769
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RAPMAN View Post
The thread is about evaluating the work of Bryan Colangelo. One major aspect of the job is the NBA Draft. Drafting the wrong player especially with the No. 1 pick will set back the franchise for many years. Just look at our record the last couple of years. Look at the record of Washington when the drafted Kwame, or Clippers when they drafted Olowakandi. Yes, we don't know how these NBA prospects will turn out, but its the GM responsibilty to draft the best player available. BC dropped the ball in the 2006 draft!!
It was the worst draft in NBA history. We got 1st pick by a massive fluke when BC arrived. Bargs is not as good as Aldridge but he's argueably worth more than Gay, and then the rest of the entire class is a bust. So relax a bit on the part that he destroyed the world with the pick. There wasn't lots of options and he was lucky to even get one.

And if you want to blame anyone for setting the franchise back for years look no further than the guy that lied to everyone for a year, saying he would consider resigning, lalalala.... Bosh.
JoeyJoJo Shabbadu is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2012, 03:30 PM   #69 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,784
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyJoJo Shabbadu View Post
It was the worst draft in NBA history. We got 1st pick by a massive fluke when BC arrived. Bargs is not as good as Aldridge but he's argueably worth more than Gay, and then the rest of the entire class is a bust. So relax a bit on the part that he destroyed the world with the pick. There wasn't lots of options and he was lucky to even get one.
Yes, the 2006 class was not a deep draft. No way the value of Bargnani is worth more than Rudy Gay. The draft was not deep, but it did have some gems like Rondo, Lowry, and Millsap. The worst draft in history is the 2000 draft.

Last edited by RAPMAN; 11-06-2012 at 03:35 PM.
RAPMAN is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2012, 03:50 PM   #70 (permalink)
waitin for the Samba Twin Towers

keepin an eye on Il Muggo
 
bozonic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 433
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pzabby View Post
care to answer the question?
Colangelo is one of the highest paid GMs in the NBA and has not delivered the goods....There are loads of guys that can do the job, just write a check...where did Presti and Morey come from ? Do a search and pick one from an organization that understands hoops ... Raps are floundering
bozonic is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2012, 03:51 PM   #71 (permalink)
is praying Ross makes us forget Drummond so people stop whining

Senior Member
 
jeffb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 74,754
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bozonic View Post
Colangelo is one of the highest paid GMs in the NBA and has not delivered the goods....There are loads of guys that can do the job, just write a check...where did Presti and Morey come from ? Do a search and pick one from an organization that understands hoops ... Raps are floundering
Loads?

Dude, Colangelo goes we get Stefanski since the org is just that lazy.
jeffb is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2012, 03:56 PM   #72 (permalink)
waitin for the Samba Twin Towers

keepin an eye on Il Muggo
 
bozonic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 433
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
Loads?

Dude, Colangelo goes we get Stefanski since the org is just that lazy.
That is a defeatest attitude...tHE TEAM IS STUCK IN NEUTRAL. Bargnani will anchor the team ( drag the bottom) and not be trade bait as long as Colangelo is in town...Need a GM who has mandate to rebuild... Isn't it interesting the RAps play better when Il Muggo rests on the pine...

There has to be a better option.
bozonic is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2012, 03:58 PM   #73 (permalink)
Follow @raptorsforum on twitter

Senior Member

 
box92's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 6,564
Representing:
Default

Even though there were a few mess ups, I still think he has done a pretty good job. It is the Fields contract I think that really stands out, and makes people hate him
box92 is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2012, 04:00 PM   #74 (permalink)
Let's get this win, Raptors!

Senior Member
 
rockthetdot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 1,130
Representing:
Default

I understand this forum is for talking/debating, but this is far too much doom and gloom 3 games into what is going to be a tough start to a season. It seems like everyone here is overly pessimistic and happier to talk about what we lack rather than what we have. I guess this is the problem with the world at large in the first place, nothing's good enough for anyone unless they're the best. Why don't we just bitch about Stern and how the league is set up so that super teams can be made by the players, which in fact makes us look like shit because we can't pick up a star unless we lose for 5 years. Lord knows the bitching that would go on over 5 years of losing, the last few we had were bad enough. Be happy that we have a team in the sport which we all love.

I'll drink to our first world problems.
rockthetdot is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2012, 04:00 PM   #75 (permalink)
waitin for the Samba Twin Towers

keepin an eye on Il Muggo
 
bozonic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 433
Representing:
Default

a SAMPLING


The Orlando Magic's search for a general manager is centering on the Western Conference finals, where top Oklahoma City and San Antonio executives have emerged as serious candidates for the opening, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Weaver
Thunder vice president and assistant general manager Troy Weaver and Spurs assistant GM Dennis Lindsey have been targeted, and Orlando has been granted permission to talk with Weaver, sources said. The Spurs' OK of permission for Lindsey is imminent, sources said.
Orlando has also been granted permission to speak with Oklahoma City's assistant GM Rob Hennigan, who came into the league with the Spurs.
bozonic is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2012, 04:05 PM   #76 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 222
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RAPMAN View Post
The thread is about evaluating the work of Bryan Colangelo. One major aspect of the job is the NBA Draft. Drafting the wrong player especially with the No. 1 pick will set back the franchise for many years. Just look at our record the last couple of years. Look at the record of Washington when the drafted Kwame, or Clippers when they drafted Olowakandi. Yes, we don't know how these NBA prospects will turn out, but its the GM responsibilty to draft the best player available. BC dropped the ball in the 2006 draft!!
I don't know who was considered the best player available in that draft but Bargs was probably up there. The thing the set us back years was Bosh leaving. BC can be blamed for that but so can Bosh. It put us in a really tough position.
kishan13 is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2012, 04:07 PM   #77 (permalink)
waitin for the Samba Twin Towers

keepin an eye on Il Muggo
 
bozonic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 433
Representing:
Default

Another one for the candidate lists

The NBA Rumorsí mill once again has the Boston Celtics involved. NBA rumors are stating that Celticsí assistant GM Mike Zarren is the leading candidate to be named Philadelphia 76ers General Manager, taking over for Rod Thorn. This would be a huge loss for the Boston Celtics and sting even more due to the fact that he would be going to a division rival.
For those that do not know about Mr. Zarren, here is what he has done in Boston. The man is an eight year front office veteran that rose from unpaid intern all the way to the assistant GM position. Zarren has done this by being a salary cap wiz and and statistical analyst guru. The reason despite being up against the cap Boston found a way to land Jason Terry, Courtney Lee, Jeff Green, Jason Collins, and Chris Wilcox can be attributed to this manís cap juggling creativity and genius. Doc Rivers and Danny Ainge can convince a guy to come here all they want, but Zarren is the guy that found a way to make the numbers work. Losing a guy like this is never good and losing him within your division is even worse.

Read more at NBA Rumors: Boston Celtics Mike Zarren Top Candidate For 76ers GM Job
bozonic is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2012, 04:10 PM   #78 (permalink)
waitin for the Samba Twin Towers

keepin an eye on Il Muggo
 
bozonic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 433
Representing:
Default

Who are the smartest guys in the room...

Gregg Popovich
Danny Ainge
Larry Bird
Donny Walsh
Pat Reilly
Sam Presti
Daryl Morey

Give them a call and ask them " If you bought a team in Canada. who would you hire to lead the team?"
bozonic is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2012, 04:35 PM   #79 (permalink)
"Fake All-Star"

Senior Member
 
TORaptor4Ever's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 16,427
Representing:
Default

BC has a chance to convince Lowry to stay IMO.... If DD continues to play like this that'll help A LOT. He (Lowry) would also have the chance to be the franchise player here and the undisputed leader of the team which has to be appealing. Also seems to have a good relationship with the Raps coaching staff....
TORaptor4Ever is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2012, 05:18 PM   #80 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
Superjudge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 17,592
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bozonic View Post
Colangelo is one of the highest paid GMs in the NBA and has not delivered the goods....There are loads of guys that can do the job, just write a check...where did Presti and Morey come from ? Do a search and pick one from an organization that understands hoops ... Raps are floundering
I almost never find worth in your posts.

Superjudge is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:24 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright RaptorsForum.com 2005-2011

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24