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Old 11-05-2012, 05:08 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I think that BC's extension will probably hinge on what happens at the trade deadline....

If he can deal Jose and/or Bargs and get some serious value in return that just might tip the scales in his favour (IMO).
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Old 11-05-2012, 05:14 PM   #42 (permalink)
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BC will get extended...simply,who's gonna replace him? I can't think of anyone more qualified that's available.
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Old 11-05-2012, 05:57 PM   #43 (permalink)
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BC will get extended...simply,who's gonna replace him? I can't think of anyone more qualified that's available.
You must be joking, right???
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Old 11-05-2012, 06:03 PM   #44 (permalink)
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You must be joking, right???
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Old 11-05-2012, 06:39 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Me! It can't be that hard..
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Old 11-05-2012, 06:59 PM   #46 (permalink)
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At this point, I don't see why you'd be getting rid of BC to be honest, the team is basically locked in piece, any GM would have little flexibility and might as well let BC ride the next 2-3 years until these long term contracts expire (fields, bargnani, derozan, kleiza, amir) and the young guys show what they can do (JV, ed, ross). Win or lose, changing GMs now is pointless.
I see a pretty big difference between having BC and not in 2013-2014: The Lowry situation. Eg. Let's say we win 30 Gs and Lowry doesn't accept our max extension offer next summer - what does BC do? Does he admit failure, trade Lowry for young players and go back to tanking - Or does he stubbornly try to remake the roster like he did in Bosh's last year to make the playoffs and "convince" Lowry to resign when he hits his UFA? Lowry not resigning next summer would be the exact equivalent of the Bosh situation and we f*cked that up last time by not trading him. I bet BC is a candidate to make the same mistake again. BC riding out Lowry until his UFA and losing him for nothing would absolutely cripple this franchise and leave us YEARS away of tanking/rebuilding again. The problem with keeping BC is he will never pull the plug on this core. If Valanciunas isn't good and Bargnani continues to Bargnani, we have very little future even with a player as good as Lowry. Right now it really depends on the Valanciunas pick. If he's a bust we're just screwed. The key to this team becoming Indy/Memphis is having that Hibbert/Gasol/etc. level C. If our team is Lowry, Bargnani and a bunch of guys, we're not going anywhere. BC would never realize the right move is to trade Lowry and start again if that's the case, but another GM might. If we suck this season another GM would probably realize an exorcism of the Bargnani, Calderon, Derozan era is in order

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Old 11-05-2012, 08:28 PM   #47 (permalink)
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The only time he has messed up with draft picks is of course his No. 1 pick which set back this franchise several years.
Disagree, that draft was so bad, no player would have made a tangible difference. We would be better with Aldridge or gay, but worse with basically all other lottery picks that draft. And both gay and Aldridge took years to get to their current level and Aldridge was a PF who may never have developed playing behind bosh.
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Old 11-05-2012, 08:31 PM   #48 (permalink)
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I see a pretty big difference between having BC and not in 2013-2014: The Lowry situation. Eg. Let's say we win 30 Gs and Lowry doesn't accept our max extension offer next summer - what does BC do? Does he admit failure, trade Lowry for young players and go back to tanking - Or does he stubbornly try to remake the roster like he did in Bosh's last year to make the playoffs and "convince" Lowry to resign when he hits his UFA? Lowry not resigning next summer would be the exact equivalent of the Bosh situation and we f*cked that up last time by not trading him. I bet BC is a candidate to make the same mistake again. BC riding out Lowry until his UFA and losing him for nothing would absolutely cripple this franchise and leave us YEARS away of tanking/rebuilding again. The problem with keeping BC is he will never pull the plug on this core. If Valanciunas isn't good and Bargnani continues to Bargnani, we have very little future even with a player as good as Lowry. Right now it really depends on the Valanciunas pick. If he's a bust we're just screwed. The key to this team becoming Indy/Memphis is having that Hibbert/Gasol/etc. level C. If our team is Lowry, Bargnani and a bunch of guys, we're not going anywhere. BC would never realize the right move is to trade Lowry and start again if that's the case, but another GM might. If we suck this season another GM would probably realize an exorcism of the Bargnani, Calderon, Derozan era is in order
Disagree with this as well, BC is known for quickly fixing his mistakes and usually doesn't persist in his mistakes. The Bosh situation was so unique because he really screwed us by colluding with lebron and wade and trading him would have been very difficult because all teams would have asked for assurances of resigning which we know now it wasn't in the cards.

If Lowry wants to leave, we will probably trade him. But given that we can overpay for him, I think it's unlikely he will.
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:04 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Disagree with this as well, BC is known for quickly fixing his mistakes and usually doesn't persist in his mistakes. The Bosh situation was so unique because he really screwed us by colluding with lebron and wade and trading him would have been very difficult because all teams would have asked for assurances of resigning which we know now it wasn't in the cards.

If Lowry wants to leave, we will probably trade him. But given that we can overpay for him, I think it's unlikely he will.
One thing that's definite here is that Lowry is the man here (which is what he apparently likes).
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Old 11-06-2012, 12:58 AM   #50 (permalink)
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In short: Hes a horrible GM whos done a horrible job in Toronto. He only still has a job because of his last name and because of our horrible ownership. I'm looking forward to when he's gone.
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Old 11-06-2012, 01:00 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Old 11-06-2012, 01:03 AM   #52 (permalink)
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BC, well done.
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:58 AM   #53 (permalink)
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BC, well done.
nice but stats don't mean shit if there aren't W's along with it.
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Old 11-06-2012, 09:01 AM   #54 (permalink)
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Disagree, that draft was so bad, no player would have made a tangible difference. We would be better with Aldridge or gay, but worse with basically all other lottery picks that draft. And both gay and Aldridge took years to get to their current level and Aldridge was a PF who may never have developed playing behind bosh.
Yes, the 2006 draft was bad, but the franchise would have been in a much better place with Gay or Aldridge. I'll take Aldridge and Bosh over Bargnani and Bosh 100 times over 100 times. Take look at the last 25 or 30 years of the NBA draft, Bargnani is in the bottom 10. People bash Derozan and Ed Davis, Derozan was drafted @ 9, if the 2009 draft was re-done now, Derozan would probably be picked in the same position. The same can be said with Ed Davis @ 13. Raptors had the No. 1 pick, and probably obtained the 6th best player (Aldridge, Gay, Rondo, Lowry, Millsap) in the draft.
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Old 11-06-2012, 09:37 AM   #55 (permalink)
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Yes, the 2006 draft was bad, but the franchise would have been in a much better place with Gay or Aldridge. I'll take Aldridge and Bosh over Bargnani and Bosh 100 times over 100 times. Take look at the last 25 or 30 years of the NBA draft, Bargnani is in the bottom 10. People bash Derozan and Ed Davis, Derozan was drafted @ 9, if the 2009 draft was re-done now, Derozan would probably be picked in the same position. The same can be said with Ed Davis @ 13. Raptors had the No. 1 pick, and probably obtained the 6th best player (Aldridge, Gay, Rondo, Lowry, Millsap) in the draft.
Rondo, milsap and Lowry were not lottery picks, so they don't really count - no GM or sane person would have picked those with the #1 pick. So really, we got the 3rd best option. But my point was that with gay or Aldridge, we'd be just a little ahead, no player in that draft would have made a tangible difference. We'd definitely not be anywhere near OKC which started this argument.
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Rondo, milsap and Lowry were not lottery picks, so they don't really count - no GM or sane person would have picked those with the #1 pick. So really, we got the 3rd best option. But my point was that with gay or Aldridge, we'd be just a little ahead, no player in that draft would have made a tangible difference. We'd definitely not be anywhere near OKC which started this argument.
No other team has draft track record of OKC for the 5 years. When you have the No. 1 pick, you make not get a franchise player (5 or 6 six player in the nba) but obtain at least an all-star calibre player who is at least building block for the franchise. Not a player, who is still lost on defense and get out-rebounded by his point guard, and is still finding his offensive stroke heading into his seventh season.
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Old 11-06-2012, 11:28 AM   #57 (permalink)
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BC, well done.
thats lowry lol not bc
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Old 11-06-2012, 12:20 PM   #58 (permalink)
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In short: Hes a horrible GM whos done a horrible job in Toronto. He only still has a job because of his last name and because of our horrible ownership. I'm looking forward to when he's gone.
Harsh. I disagree.

While I can say that BC has done a subpar job so far as GM of our team, I would not go as far to say that I'm looking forward to when he's gone. The thing is, I can't think of anyone we could bring in that would replace BC. Besides replacing him with Ed Stefanski who is already working for him, I can't see a better candidate.
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Old 11-06-2012, 01:33 PM   #60 (permalink)
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Yes, the 2006 draft was bad, but the franchise would have been in a much better place with Gay or Aldridge. I'll take Aldridge and Bosh over Bargnani and Bosh 100 times over 100 times. Take look at the last 25 or 30 years of the NBA draft, Bargnani is in the bottom 10. People bash Derozan and Ed Davis, Derozan was drafted @ 9, if the 2009 draft was re-done now, Derozan would probably be picked in the same position. The same can be said with Ed Davis @ 13. Raptors had the No. 1 pick, and probably obtained the 6th best player (Aldridge, Gay, Rondo, Lowry, Millsap) in the draft.
All that is so much easier to say now but back when we had the 1st pick, we didn't know how all these players would turn out. So many teams could make excuses like you are right now. "If we drafted ______ instead of ______ we'd be so much better." We drafted Bargnani so deal with it. If you don't like him its your problem.
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