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Old 09-11-2009, 09:52 AM   #1 (permalink)
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When Marcus Banks showed up in Toronto with Shawn Marion as part of the Jermaine O’Neal trade most fans grudgingly accepted this as part of their punishment for escaping O’Neal’s enormous contract.

It wasn’t that they had seen Banks play and held that against him; it was more that they hadn’t seen him play and virtually no one had anything good to say about him. But to be fair, over the past 3 seasons, almost no one has seen him play!

Now in his 7th season, “Marcus” Arthur L. Banks III has passed through 6 different NBA teams, 3 teams in the past 2 seasons. Banks biggest contribution to his team recently has been as needed salary to complete the trades of Marion to Miami for Shaquille O’Neal and the Marion to Toronto for Jermaine O’Neal.

If Toronto could have done it, it’s highly likely they would have shipped him off to Dallas with Marion this off season, but that deal didn’t need any filler to get done.

It wasn’t always like this for Banks.

As a senior in high school, Banks’ basketball team was league and state champions and Banks was first team all-conference and first team all-state. In junior college, Banks was regional player of the year, first team NJCAA All-American, Conference MVP, and led his team in scoring with 17 points, 5.5 rebounds and 4 assists per game.

When Banks got to UNLV in 2001 he was 6’ 2’’, 200 lbs and 20 years old. Tough and strong, Banks quickly became a leader with the Runnin Rebels. In his first season, Banks had 15.8 points on 46.9% shooting, 3.3 boards, 3 assists, 2.2 steals, and 3.2 turnovers in 32 minutes.

The following season, Banks improved across the entire stat line with 20.3 points on 51.4% shooting, 3.4 boards, 5.5 assists, 2.8 steals, and 3.9 turnovers in 36 minutes. Good enough to make Marcus Banks an NBA lottery pick!

Now one might have noticed something that has plagued Banks for his entire NBA career. He had an awful lot of turnovers for a 4 year college senior. But in the 2003 NBA Draft, the Grizzles picked Marcus Banks 13th overall and promptly shipped him off to Boston in a trade.

So what did the scouts see in Marcus Banks, a quick, strong, athletic guard who has a good handle and the ability to be a lock down defender. But he also tends to gamble too much, over-dribble, and seems to have trouble reading defenses and offenses at times.

In 2 seasons in Boston, Banks managed 5.5 points shooting 40% from the field, with 1.5 boards, 2 assists, and 1.3 turnovers in 15 minutes and was shipped off to Minnesota mid-season. Banks just could never find his college scoring touch in Boston and with a 1.5:1 assist to turnover ratio; he wasn’t going to make it as a passer.

The high point of Banks NBA career started and ended in Minnesota. For 40 games, the NBA saw what most would have expected from Banks’ college record. He started 28 of those 40 games and Banks created a stat line of 12 points on 47.9% shooting, 2.9 boards, 4.7 assists, 1.2 steals, and 2.4 turnovers in 30.7 minutes.

And while a 2:1 assist to turnover ratio would put him at around 75th for guards in the league and that’s not good for a true point guard, there are good combo guards at this level. And, the rest of the stats made it look like Banks had finally found his game.

So, Bryan Colangelo (actually not Bryan, it was Mike D’Antoni) of the Phoenix Suns made Marcus Banks a wealthy man with a free agent offer during the off season. Oops!

A season and a half later, with Banks experiencing even worse results than in Boston, Colangelo managed to include him in a trade with Miami.

Briefly in Miami, Banks did find his shooting stroke again, but ESPN’s Hollinger sums up this improvement best. “He’s a shoot-first guard who doesn’t see the floor and turns it over too much, so even when he’s shooting well he’s not that valuable.”

Not surprisingly, at the first opportunity Miami included Banks in a trade and he now resides during the season in Toronto. Where, of course, he is often rumored to be involved in the next Raptors trade!
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i find it too funny how brian colangelo is the one that signed banks to that contract and ends up being the one stuck with him on another team. highiest paid gm in the league folks

yeah colangelo, all dantoni's fault, heros don't make mistakes like that
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he actually didnt sign him.....since you hate this team so much why are u here again?
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So, Bryan Colangelo (actually not Bryan, it was Mike D’Antoni) of the Phoenix Suns made Marcus Banks a wealthy man with a free agent offer during the off season. Oops!

A season and a half later, with Banks experiencing even worse results than in Boston, Colangelo managed to include him in a trade with Miami.
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On February 27, 2006, Colangelo resigned from his position with the Suns, and on February 28, 2006, the Raptors announced him as their new President and GM.
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Marcus Banks - July 20, 2006: Signed as a free agent by Phoenix Suns
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Marcus Banks - February 6, 2008: Traded by Phoenix with Shawn Marion to the Miami Heat for Shaquille O'Neal
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On February 27, 2006, Colangelo resigned from his position with the Suns, and on February 28, 2006, the Raptors announced him as their new President and GM
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he actually didnt sign him.....since you hate this team so much why are u here again?
oops , my bad. i apologize to colangelo and all his fans, foolish mistake on my part.

the reason i'm here is because i'm still in high hopes that colangelo gets fired and a that all the european players get traded elsewhere so i can see some athletic , tough and allaround winning basketball. There's always hope, there's always the grizzlies whenever they move back.

i would rather lose and see players like derozan play rather then win with calderona and turkoglu with some boring, slow paced garbajosa
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oops , my bad. i apologize to colangelo and all his fans, foolish mistake on my part.

the reason i'm here is because i'm still in high hopes that colangelo gets fired and a that all the european players get traded elsewhere so i can see some athletic , tough and allaround winning basketball. There's always hope, there's always the grizzlies whenever they move back.

i would rather lose and see players like derozan play rather then win with calderona and turkoglu with some boring, slow paced garbajosa
Wow! Grizzlies always sucked and aren't coming back. You don't like slow players, here's a name for you----Big Country

You'd rather see us lose playing Derozan then win with European players! I hope you're selling what you're smoking because you could make a small fortune. Stock up!
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I think you're ignorant. Plain and simple.

I can understand when people talk about basketball players in terms of skill, but you're generalizations of people is ridiculous.
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I think you're ignorant. Plain and simple.

I can understand when people talk about basketball players in terms of skill, but you're generalizations of people is ridiculous.
you show me an exciting euro to watch and i'll show you my big weiner


face it, euros are quite boring on the basketball court. i really have no interest in seeing Calderon slowly pitter patter with the basketball or seeing turkoglu ballhog and put up weak low percentage 22 footers. i also have no interest in watching nowitski get call after call when he fades on everything simply because he sells jerseys. just no interest , none, i don't lie to myself i don't lie to others. beidrens is probably the only euro worth watching in the nba and he's a big

and yes i am quite ignorant. i spread the love equally though
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face it, euros are quite boring on the basketball court. i really have no interest in seeing Calderon slowly pitter patter with the basketball or seeing turkoglu ballhog and put up weak low percentage 22 footers. i also have no interest in watching nowitski get call after call when he fades on everything simply because he sells jerseys. just no interest , none, i don't lie to myself i don't lie to others. beidrens is probably the only euro worth watching in the nba and he's a big
aren't you a big Bosh fan though?

your hypocrisy, or should i say selective vision is amusing.

I can think of some boring North American players if i try not very hard enough.
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aren't you a big Bosh fan though?

your hypocrisy, or should i say selective vision is amusing.

I can think of some boring North American players if i try not very hard enough.
yah i'm a Bosh fan, i hope they retain but not convinced he's staying



and why do i like bosh? because a healthy Bosh will dunk on heads. a healthy Bosh will go baseline and dunk on heads. maybe not like dwight or vince but he will still DUNK ON HEADS.

are there boring NA players? sure plenty of them(mike dunleavy, jason kapono, brian scalabrinie, tyler hansbrough). but not all american players are boring to watch, can't say the same about europeans . just my preferences i guess
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A healthy Bosh takes some exciting fadeaways though.... you gotta admit.
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yah i'm a Bosh fan, i hope they retain but not convinced he's staying



and why do i like bosh? because a healthy Bosh will dunk on heads. a healthy Bosh will go baseline and dunk on heads. maybe not like dwight or vince but he will still DUNK ON HEADS.

are there boring NA players? sure plenty of them(mike dunleavy, jason kapono, brian scalabrinie, tyler hansbrough). but not all american players are boring to watch, can't say the same about europeans . just my preferences i guess

So in other words you find basketball boring unless someone is dunking?

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you show me an exciting euro to watch and i'll show you my big weiner


face it, euros are quite boring on the basketball court. i really have no interest in seeing Calderon slowly pitter patter with the basketball or seeing turkoglu ballhog and put up weak low percentage 22 footers. i also have no interest in watching nowitski get call after call when he fades on everything simply because he sells jerseys. just no interest , none, i don't lie to myself i don't lie to others. beidrens is probably the only euro worth watching in the nba and he's a big

and yes i am quite ignorant. i spread the love equally though
What could be more fun to watch than a fundamentally sound baller going to work? I'd much rather watch a "slow" European like Dirk go to work knocking down jumpers like it's no big deal, handling the ball, passing the ball, and applying a high basketball IQ to the game than some freak athlete who can dunk but has no feel for the game.
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A healthy Bosh takes some exciting fadeaways though.... you gotta admit.
yeah but its pretty impressive to see a big black man with a small white mans stroke


your rightthough,too many fades , he's definitely needs to stop practicing with Bargnani as the wizards game is rubbing off on him
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are there boring NA players? sure plenty of them(mike dunleavy, jason kapono, brian scalabrinie, tyler hansbrough). but not all american players are boring to watch, can't say the same about europeans . just my preferences i guess
Any reason you only named white players, or...? I'm sensing something besides basketball preferences here...
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yeah but its pretty impressive to see a big black man with a small white mans stroke
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yah i'm a Bosh fan, i hope they retain but not convinced he's staying



and why do i like bosh? because a healthy Bosh will dunk on heads. a healthy Bosh will go baseline and dunk on heads. maybe not like dwight or vince but he will still DUNK ON HEADS.

are there boring NA players? sure plenty of them(mike dunleavy, jason kapono, brian scalabrinie, tyler hansbrough). but not all american players are boring to watch, can't say the same about europeans . just my preferences i guess
Wow...want to play what do the players you have criticized including Jose and Dirk have in common???
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You know, if I was to say the same things about african american basketball players that Granny is saying about white basketball players, I'd be kicked off this site. Hell, I'd throw myself off a bridge for being so ignorant.

I'm pretty much at a loss for words right now due to my anger.
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You know, if I was to say the same things about african american basketball players that Granny is saying about white basketball players, I'd be kicked off this site. Hell, I'd throw myself off a bridge for being so ignorant.

I'm pretty much at a loss for words right now due to my anger.
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But i can't believe that i of all people is saying this, take a deep breath. Not worth it. He's not a basketball fan and would probably preffer watching WWE.
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You know, if I was to say the same things about african american basketball players that Granny is saying about white basketball players, I'd be kicked off this site. Hell, I'd throw myself off a bridge for being so ignorant.

I'm pretty much at a loss for words right now due to my anger.
what are you talking about? what am i saying about white players? i am white if it helps ease your anger a bit(or add to it)

chill out bro, don't taze me bro
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