a brief description of jose on hoopshype.com

bartdudeman · 02-27-2009, 02:15 PM

calderon player description

solid defense?
great legs?
VERY ATHLETIC?????
likes to push the ball?

what's next....

**zachus** · 02-27-2009, 02:23 PM

I've never found his defense to be as bad as everyone thinks it is, so whatever. And to be playing point guard, you have to be gifted athletically and Jose is a damn athletic dude don't kid yourself. Just because you can't jump like Vince or beat someone off the dribble like CP3 doesn't qualify you as a poor athlete. Court vision, hands, ball handling, awareness - all traits of an elite athlete.

Superjudge · 02-27-2009, 02:25 PM

I don't entirely disagree.

He's not as quick as you'd like, but he plays smart defense, a lot of smart lane disruptions.

He has great legs, one is hurt. But they are strong, and reliable (knee issues are not a problem)

He is athletic. He can dunk and do all that shit. And he's fast..not quick, but he's fast.

Pushing the ball, he hasn't shown it as often as I'd like, but he has also been on a team where it wasn't something they wanted for three years

soulstice99 · 02-27-2009, 02:58 PM

The negatives came at the end of the description. This one stuck out for me:

Doesn't take many risks.

Very true. The emphasis on JC's assist-to-turnover-ratio seems to have made his game very "safe" at the expense of creativity.

Ligeia · 02-27-2009, 03:35 PM

Well I completel disagree on his defense; it is occasionally sufficient, but never solid. It's his lateral movement and footwork that is the problem, in my opinion.

I'd still take him over the majority of other PG's in the league.

**zachus** · 02-27-2009, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ligeia

Well I completel disagree on his defense; it is occasionally sufficient, but never solid. It's his lateral movement and footwork that is the problem, in my opinion.

I'd still take him over the majority of other PG's in the league.

I've said it before - the Raptors' defense as a team historically has been awful. In a good defensive system, a poor defender's weaknesses can be hidden to an extent (again, I don't think Jose is a poor defender); because the Raptors' team defense has typically been crappy, Jose's shortcomings on defense are magnified.

Dark Knight · 02-27-2009, 07:16 PM

Better description

Poor defence
can't dunk
refuses to "run and gun"
to chicken to take risks
dribbles to high
...good shooter

**fancylad** · 02-27-2009, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Knight

Better description

Poor defence
can't dunk
refuses to "run and gun"
to chicken to take risks
dribbles to high
...good shooter

uuuh not quite darknight.

but to quite his lameness chuck swirsky "that's why there's chocolate and vanilla."

Dark Knight · 02-27-2009, 07:48 PM

what would you change about my list, cause I thought I was dead on

**fancylad** · 02-27-2009, 07:54 PM

decent defender. not great, but decent (as SJ alluded to)
excellent control of the ball
smart / safe passer
good shooter.

His cautiousness can be a flaw and i too think he should take more risks sometimes.

high dribbler? come on.

You make him out like he should be a chump third stringer with your description. and please don't respond in saying that's what he should be. please don't.

LX · 02-27-2009, 08:21 PM

He does dribble pretty high.

But he's at his best when that's all you can really point to on that list. I disagree that this team has not looked for him to push the ball more for the last three years. I would say that the lack of a guy like Marion as opposed to what has been here at his spot has made it harder to push the ball.

I agree that he's fast and I think he displays some measure of quickness at times, again at his best. The thing I look for to change is getting to the line. The original description says that he's aggressive, but I think his lack of FT's indicates otherwise. Still - when he's at his best - that is what stands out.

kg1585 · 02-27-2009, 08:28 PM

If you watch some of his videos from Spain, he had some nice dunks, including put backs.

Dark Knight · 02-27-2009, 08:29 PM

alright, but definite flaws are

He tends to look for his teamates more than his own shot, even when they're struggling and hes on fire

controled high dribbler ( not 3rd string material, but pretty high)

does sometimes tend to play it to safe.

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zachus is a Raptors fan Free DeMar DeRozan Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,833 Representing:	I've never found his defense to be as bad as everyone thinks it is, so whatever. And to be playing point guard, you have to be gifted athletically and Jose is a damn athletic dude don't kid yourself. Just because you can't jump like Vince or beat someone off the dribble like CP3 doesn't qualify you as a poor athlete. Court vision, hands, ball handling, awareness - all traits of an elite athlete.

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Superjudge is a Genius Meter. You're a bad guy Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: I live in Toronto. Posts: 8,673 Representing:	I don't entirely disagree. He's not as quick as you'd like, but he plays smart defense, a lot of smart lane disruptions. He has great legs, one is hurt. But they are strong, and reliable (knee issues are not a problem) He is athletic. He can dunk and do all that shit. And he's fast..not quick, but he's fast. Pushing the ball, he hasn't shown it as often as I'd like, but he has also been on a team where it wasn't something they wanted for three years

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soulstice99 is soul searching in Cimmeria Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 348 Representing:	The negatives came at the end of the description. This one stuck out for me: Doesn't take many risks. Very true. The emphasis on JC's assist-to-turnover-ratio seems to have made his game very "safe" at the expense of creativity.

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fancylad is fancylad. el ministro de defensa Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto city Posts: 9,439 Representing:	decent defender. not great, but decent (as SJ alluded to) excellent control of the ball smart / safe passer good shooter. His cautiousness can be a flaw and i too think he should take more risks sometimes. high dribbler? come on. You make him out like he should be a chump third stringer with your description. and please don't respond in saying that's what he should be. please don't.

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LX is doing the laundry in his mind, and pocketing all the change he finds In the Paint Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 10,619 Representing:	He does dribble pretty high. But he's at his best when that's all you can really point to on that list. I disagree that this team has not looked for him to push the ball more for the last three years. I would say that the lack of a guy like Marion as opposed to what has been here at his spot has made it harder to push the ball. I agree that he's fast and I think he displays some measure of quickness at times, again at his best. The thing I look for to change is getting to the line. The original description says that he's aggressive, but I think his lack of FT's indicates otherwise. Still - when he's at his best - that is what stands out.

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Dark Knight is part of the Official Jose Calderon Fanclub. Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: SJ's candy van Posts: 7,881 Representing:	alright, but definite flaws are He tends to look for his teamates more than his own shot, even when they're struggling and hes on fire controled high dribbler ( not 3rd string material, but pretty high) does sometimes tend to play it to safe.