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jaedenky77 11-29-2009 07:16 PM

Brian Colangelo, the Italian connection and bias?
 
Hey Raptors fans, been lurking on this board for ages now and there's always been something that's bothered me but has never been brought up, so here goes:

I'm pretty certain that Brian Colangelo is of Italian descent, I've researched his last name and found that Colangelo is indeed an Italian surname. I feel that it is clearly evident that he is biased towards Italians and this has clouded his judgement and decision-making. He chose to come to the Raptors because he knew nobody would question him here and he would have alot of power over every personnel decision.

Why do I feel this way you ask?

1. He hires fellow Italian Mauritzio Gerardhini as the main assistant GM. He allocates several scouts to Italy to search for talent.

2. Surprising to many NBA analysts he drafts Andrea Bargnani with the first overall pick and has been pushing for him to get more minutes every year.

3. He signs Jason Kapono. (I'm fairly certain that he is also Italian, correct me if I'm wrong)

4. He fires Sam Mitchell who won coach of the year and had a winning record at the time of the firing, Mitchell was also known for disliking Andreas perimeter oriented game and would often bench him.

5. He then appoints Jay Triano as his new head coach, then decides to keep him as the coach for this season although the Raptors just had a terrible year under him. Triano is also of Italian descent.

6. He trades for yet another Italian player in Marco Bellineli. A good trade but is it really just coincidence that Colangelo went after another Italian player?


That's a mountain of evidence right there that Brian Colangelo is indeed biased towards Italians, you can even make the argument that he is biased towards Europeans in general if you look at his other moves. His decision making is affected by this bias, he is looking at nationality instead of looking for the best pieces to comprise a balanced and effective team.

DVS 11-29-2009 07:20 PM

You know what they say in business.


You hire people who are most like you. Besides what does it matter if he has Bias's.

This is not like the NFL head coaching debate in owners and GMs discriminating towards black coaches.

Wins and Loses is all that matters. Right now business is not so good

Someguy again 11-29-2009 07:21 PM

In lighter terms, must mean he might be on the phone with Kobe right now, and paving the way for Gallinari on this team.

:D

JuliusJames 11-29-2009 07:24 PM

Jason Kapono is half Portugese half Hawaiian

DVS 11-29-2009 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JuliusJames (Post 280491)
Jason Kapono is half Portugese half Hawaiian

Yes and Triano may have an Italian background and surname and he also is 100% Canadian.

Maybe BC was too busy screwing his hot wife and gave Maurizio the keys to being GM.

So all he did was hire people with Italian last names and Euros

jaedenky77 11-29-2009 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DVS (Post 280489)
You know what they say in business.


You hire people who are most like you. Besides what does it matter if he has Bias's.

This is not like the NFL head coaching debate in owners and GMs discriminating towards black coaches.

Wins and Loses is all that matters. Right now business is not so good

Under no circumstances should nationality be a consideration for who a GM hires. He should always try to land the best man for the job, especially when he gets paid millions of dollars to do so.

You don't hire people who are most like you, you do your job and leave all bias at home. The fact is that most of the moves he's made due to his bias have not worked out and they are responsible for losing games.

This isn't his personal good old boys club, this is a NBA franchise with millions of fans and people who care about the quality of the product.

DVS 11-29-2009 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaedenky77 (Post 280493)
Under no circumstances should nationality be a consideration for who a GM hires. He should always try to land the best man for the job, especially when he gets paid millions of dollars to do so.

You don't hire people who are most like you, you do your job and leave all bias at home. The fact is that most of the moves he's made due to his bias have not worked out and they are responsible for losing games.

This isn't his personal good old boys club, this is a NBA franchise with millions of fans and people who care about the quality of the product.

BC is paid to do a job and he can do that job any way he pleases. If he is banging his hot wife and letting Maurizio hire nothing but people with italian last names and euros so be it.

BC thought this was the team that would win at the time and making a hindsight post is your problem not BCs. BC didn't go out and trade Bosh for Gallanari or get Belli at a high price. He obviously tried to do what he thought was best.

If the team was winning you wouldn't care if they were Italian, pokadots, black or whatever.

jaedenky77 11-29-2009 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DVS (Post 280496)
BC is paid to do a job and he can do that job any way he pleases. If he is banging his hot wife and letting Maurizio hire nothing but people with italian last names and euros so be it.

BC thought this was the team that would win at the time and making a hindsight post is your problem not BCs. BC didn't go out and trade Bosh for Gallanari or get Belli at a high price. He obviously tried to do what he thought was best.

If the team was winning you wouldn't care if they were Italian, pokadots, black or whatever.

No he can't do that job any way he wants. He is hired by the franchise to make the best decisions for the sake of winning and giving the fans the best product he can possibly produce.

Andrea came at a high price, he was the first overall pick. A 3 point shooting 7 footer with zero defence or rebounding. Any roster spot in a league such as the NBA is a high price, you try to get players who are either very talented or can fill a role, you don't get players because they are a certain nationality.

I think Bellinelli is overrated around here anyways, he's selfish and leaves his feet all the time and ends up turning the ball over. He's taking a roster spot and valuable minutes that could go to another player who is a better fit.

I've had this issue with BC for a while now, I just decided to post it here now. Even if they had a better record, it doesn't change anything about my opinion. Bottom line is the man is biased and it has affected his decision making, that is unnacceptable.

I know that Toronto has a large Italian population and there's many Italian/Canadian Raptors fans here. But I gotta call it like it is, Italy is not exactly the hotbed of basketball talent either. This has stink written all over it.

DVS 11-29-2009 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jaedenky77 (Post 280502)
No he can't do that job any way he wants. He is hired by the franchise to make the best decisions for the sake of winning and giving the fans the best product he can possibly produce.

Andrea came at a high price, he was the first overall pick. A 3 point shooting 7 footer with zero defence or rebounding. Any roster spot in a league such as the NBA is a high price, you try to get players who are either very talented or can fill a role, you don't get players because they are a certain nationality.

I think Bellinelli is overrated around here anyways, he's selfish and leaves his feet all the time and ends up turning the ball over. He's taking a roster spot and valuable minutes that could go to another player who is a better fit.

I've had this issue with BC for a while now, I just decided to post it here now. Even if they had a better record, it doesn't change anything about my opinion. Bottom line is the man is biased and it has affected his decision making, that is unnacceptable.

I know that Toronto has a large Italian population and there's many Italian/Canadian Raptors fans here. But I gotta call it like it is, Italy is not exactly the hotbed of basketball talent either. This has stink written all over it.

You don't like the job BC does stand in line cause its not the first time someone came out and complained. BCs job is to win and sell tickets and no it doesn't matter how he does it but as long as it is done. When you hire someone to do a job you don't breathe down their neck just let them get to work.

You could say Italian Bias .. others could say trying to sell some tickets. I don't know and quite frankly I really don't care. I don't get all pissed off at things I can't control and neither should you. Maybe you need another hobby or something I don't know.

jaedenky77 11-29-2009 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DVS (Post 280506)
You don't like the job BC does stand in line cause its not the first time someone came out and complained. BCs job is to win and sell tickets and no it doesn't matter how he does it but as long as it is done. When you hire someone to do a job you don't breathe down their neck just let them get to work.

You could say Italian Bias .. others could say trying to sell some tickets. I don't know and quite frankly I really don't care. I don't get all pissed off at things I can't control and neither should you. Maybe you need another hobby or something I don't know.

Winning = selling tickets

being biased due to nationality = compromising the goal of winning for personal agenda and favoritism

compromising the goal of winning for personal agenda and favoritism = losing

losing = not selling tickets

As for your last statement, I'm not getting all pissed off about it but I'm surprised that such an obvious thing is never mentioned so I decided to bring it up. True that I can't control it much, but I can still inform people about it, which is what I'm doing here. As for needing a new hobby, I got plenty buddy so why not stay on topic instead of resorting to personal remarks.

Rye 11-29-2009 08:28 PM

Kapono was awesome i wish he was still a raptor. It would be better with kapono instead of BARGS

finstock 11-29-2009 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rye (Post 280526)
Kapono was awesome i wish he was still a raptor. It would be better with kapono instead of BARGS

If Kapono wasn't so focused on finding new methods to travel every time he touched the ball, he'd be a mediocre player.

Rye 11-29-2009 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oneironaught (Post 280528)
If Kapono wasn't so focused on finding new methods to travel every time he touched the ball, he'd be a mediocre player.

he took a lot of attention to guard. which left our front court in a great position. he was clutch as hell in the playoffs also.

honestly who wouldnt want the best 3 point shooter in the league on their team?

DVS 11-29-2009 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaedenky77 (Post 280524)
Winning = selling tickets

being biased due to nationality = compromising the goal of winning for personal agenda and favoritism

compromising the goal of winning for personal agenda and favoritism = losing

losing = not selling tickets

As for your last statement, I'm not getting all pissed off about it but I'm surprised that such an obvious thing is never mentioned so I decided to bring it up. True that I can't control it much, but I can still inform people about it, which is what I'm doing here. As for needing a new hobby, I got plenty buddy so why not stay on topic instead of resorting to personal remarks.

Your right gthe personal remark was a little too far. ALso, I'm not going to argue your basic flowchart of how to be successful both financially and winning on the court.

However; if it was so simple I don't think they would pay a guy such a great sum of money to do such a simple job.

jeffb 11-29-2009 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rye (Post 280526)
Kapono was awesome i wish he was still a raptor. It would be better with kapono instead of BARGS

Define awesome?

You've gotta be kidding right?

Rye 11-29-2009 09:05 PM

nicest shot in the league. amateurs should take notes

Kuzzy 11-29-2009 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaedenky77 (Post 280493)
Under no circumstances should nationality be a consideration for who a GM hires. He should always try to land the best man for the job, especially when he gets paid millions of dollars to do so.

You don't hire people who are most like you, you do your job and leave all bias at home. The fact is that most of the moves he's made due to his bias have not worked out and they are responsible for losing games.

This isn't his personal good old boys club, this is a NBA franchise with millions of fans and people who care about the quality of the product.



Employment Equity Act 1995.
nuf said?

Kuzzy 11-29-2009 09:22 PM

I have to admit he's very quick to be high on European players, when usually there never good as we expect them to be!
Marco's awesome, but here me out- he will never be a solid 6th man!
Bargnani will never be a Nowitzki- Okur at best
Jose is overpaid, but a solid PG if anything
Hedo is solid, but on a team that already possesses his quailities

jeffb 11-29-2009 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rye (Post 280540)
nicest shot in the league. amateurs should take notes

Nicest shot in the league and yet can't break 8ppg. Seriously the guy can shoot, yet never took the shot. Then on top of that he was a horrid defender, double dribbled more then my month old cousin and travelled more then a salesman.


:hahaha: Kapono

Kuzzy 11-29-2009 09:26 PM

^ what he said!!
When the shot wasn't going, what was?????


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