BRAND new Raptor?

Apollo · 06-19-2008, 12:48 PM

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Today's top trade story is based on reports out of LA and Washington DC that have the Clippers sending Elton Brand to the Wizards for a re-signed Gilbert Arenas. Or, in another version of the story, both Brand and Arenas opt out of their contracts and simply switch teams. Brand and Antawn Jamison would potentially share a front court (the same scenario has been floated with the Raptors, using Brand and Bosh, following several other rumors about the Raptors and Clippers working a deal).

Hoopsworld.Com

So here's the deal. I realize that Brand coming to town isn't likely for a number of reason but I just wanted to know what you thought of it all. Brand would bring leadership, low post offense/defense, rebounding and a true star to take some of the load off Bosh's shoulders. What do you all think?

JayJayW · 06-19-2008, 12:59 PM

Hey First of all
Welcome to RF

second Brand is a great player but he has health problems and we need someone that would be able to play every game and be that 2nd option for BOSH...if brand gets injured where in the same boat as we were this year...jumping on bosh's skinny ass back..

i would love to see him in toronto but my insticts tell me that it would be worth it in the long run...does anyone know how old brand is anyways?

**Belsius** · 06-19-2008, 12:59 PM

I dont know if it will happend. He plays PF position so I cant see him in the same team with Bosh. And in that proposal Im pretty sure they are talking about a Bosh for Brand trade. That wouldnt be good for us at all.

moremilk · 06-19-2008, 12:59 PM

how old is he?

**Acie** · 06-19-2008, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Belsius

I dont know if it will happend. He plays PF position so I cant see him in the same team with Bosh. And in that proposal Im pretty sure they are talking about a Bosh for Brand trade. That wouldnt be good for us at all.

Won't happen, but he was a centre in college.

Joshz · 06-19-2008, 01:03 PM

If you can get Brand you do it, don't worry about positioning, the NBA has moved away from big bruising centers, and Brand has exeptionally long hands that make him play quite substantially larger than his height...if he's available you pounce on it...

**Acie** · 06-19-2008, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by moremilk

how old is he?

29

**Belsius** · 06-19-2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ACIEEARL40

Won't happen, but he was a centre in college.

but he has always played PF here in the NBA no? Theres no room for him in toronto as a starter.

moremilk · 06-19-2008, 01:06 PM

so why would we trade a 24 years old for a 29? By the time we become good enough, Brand will be too old already ... Now, if we can get him for smth like Bargnani and Ford - now that's a good deal. Brand and Bosh complement each other very well, they could play C and PF interchangeably, depending on the opponent. With a strong backup body like Lopez, we would be very very strong in frontcourt.

jeffb · 06-19-2008, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by moremilk

how old is he?

He's 29. Too old/injury prone for us to give up CB4.This would never happen,BC is too smart for this.

**Acie** · 06-19-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Belsius

but he has always played PF here in the NBA no? Theres no room for him in toronto as a starter.

I think so.

I was just being an ass anyway.

**Ball Don't Lie** · 06-19-2008, 01:09 PM

Brand is better than Bosh right now but itd be a terrible deal just because of the age factor like a few have pointed out and because Brand keeps having these freak injuries. Theyd look great together though if Bosh ever decided to play some defence.

Apollo · 06-19-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Belsius

I dont know if it will happend. He plays PF position so I cant see him in the same team with Bosh. And in that proposal Im pretty sure they are talking about a Bosh for Brand trade. That wouldnt be good for us at all.

Here's the thing though. Antonio Davis played center for this club and was very successful. He made an all-star game and played a big time role in the Raptors success at that time. Brand is ten pounds heavier than Davis. He's a better player overall, a better rebounder, a better leader and he's just as strong. I don't know if it would work but I think Brand can play center.

Its also important to point out that in the three seasons prior to this last one Brand missed a total six games. I'm talking the three seasons combined. This injury was a freak thing. I'm not sure on the long term implications of this injury but I'm just trying to illustrate that he was really durable before he got hurt.

Brand was also an MVP candidate a few years back. A legit MVP candidate, unlike Bosh of last season.

Brand
Davis

JayJayW · 06-19-2008, 01:22 PM

ill say it again

REGGIE EVANSSS

screw brand

LX · 06-19-2008, 01:48 PM

I'm thinking Haslem will be the guy coming over here. Mostly a gut feeling. He's the right kind of player. He played on a winner. He's still young. And he could be moveable if the Heat get Beasley.

I think all the talk about these other guys like Wilcox and Brand or whoever only helps try to milk more out if any deal with the Heat by showing them that we can shop around for other options.

Now what a deal looks like - who is all involved - I wouldn't even guess. But I would bet anything that they do everything they can to get him here.

Apollo · 06-19-2008, 01:51 PM

It certainly is a possibility. I hope Dorrell Wright is involved if they go that way:

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A Heat official said several teams have expressed an interest in Udonis Haslem if Miami drafts and keeps Michael Beasley, which remains a strong possibility. Haslem could be swapped for a point guard, with Kirk Hinrich, T.J. Ford and Mo Williams in play, and less appealing names (Jamaal Tinsley, Jarrett Jack, Kyle Lowery) also available.

Miami Herald

LX · 06-19-2008, 02:01 PM

I just noticed in another thread that Arsenalist called it on the Haslem deal yesterday. It was in the Pryzbilla thread actually - there's another guy thrown out there just to maybe get the Heat to bend a little more. Anyway, I didn't mean to ride on any coattails. Ha - I'm probably the last to call it. But what occurred to me last night was that we should not get too distracted by all these other names of bigs. Haslem is the guy.

**INSIDER** · 06-19-2008, 02:13 PM

i'd never trade Bosh for Brand... never.
i remember 2 years back there was a rumour of us trading Bosh for Jermaine O'neal... and some people were all over that idea. and looky now at how that gem wouldve turned out for us!
sure it sounds good now, but it would be a disaster in the future.
Brand is coming off a serious injury and his conditioning and health is a huge concern. no thanks.

06-19-2008, 02:15 PM

please NO
no brand,
bosh > brand

Apollo · 06-19-2008, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by INSIDER

i'd never trade Bosh for Brand... never.
i remember 2 years back there was a rumour of us trading Bosh for Jermaine O'neal... and some people were all over that idea. and looky now at how that gem wouldve turned out for us!
sure it sounds good now, but it would be a disaster in the future.
Brand is coming off a serious injury and his conditioning and health is a huge concern. no thanks.

The article isn't suggesting that the Raptors would trade Bosh for Brand.

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06-19-2008, 12:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
JayJayW dollar dollar bills yall Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 417 Representing:	Hey First of all Welcome to RF second Brand is a great player but he has health problems and we need someone that would be able to play every game and be that 2nd option for BOSH...if brand gets injured where in the same boat as we were this year...jumping on bosh's skinny ass back.. i would love to see him in toronto but my insticts tell me that it would be worth it in the long run...does anyone know how old brand is anyways?

06-19-2008, 12:59 PM	#3 (permalink)
Belsius a paranoid android My name is Iñigo Montoya Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 10,548 Representing:	I dont know if it will happend. He plays PF position so I cant see him in the same team with Bosh. And in that proposal Im pretty sure they are talking about a Bosh for Brand trade. That wouldnt be good for us at all.

06-19-2008, 12:59 PM	#4 (permalink)
moremilk whatever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: toronto Posts: 9,240 Representing:	how old is he?

06-19-2008, 01:03 PM	#6 (permalink)
Joshz Pondering if these are BCs last days Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 355 Representing:	If you can get Brand you do it, don't worry about positioning, the NBA has moved away from big bruising centers, and Brand has exeptionally long hands that make him play quite substantially larger than his height...if he's available you pounce on it...

06-19-2008, 01:06 PM	#9 (permalink)
moremilk whatever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: toronto Posts: 9,240 Representing:	so why would we trade a 24 years old for a 29? By the time we become good enough, Brand will be too old already ... Now, if we can get him for smth like Bargnani and Ford - now that's a good deal. Brand and Bosh complement each other very well, they could play C and PF interchangeably, depending on the opponent. With a strong backup body like Lopez, we would be very very strong in frontcourt.

06-19-2008, 01:09 PM	#12 (permalink)
Ball Don't Lie We going to the 'ship! Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,658 Representing:	Brand is better than Bosh right now but itd be a terrible deal just because of the age factor like a few have pointed out and because Brand keeps having these freak injuries. Theyd look great together though if Bosh ever decided to play some defence.

06-19-2008, 01:22 PM	#14 (permalink)
JayJayW dollar dollar bills yall Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 417 Representing:	ill say it again REGGIE EVANSSS screw brand

06-19-2008, 01:48 PM	#15 (permalink)
LX with pink peppercorns In the Paint Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 27,566 Representing:	I'm thinking Haslem will be the guy coming over here. Mostly a gut feeling. He's the right kind of player. He played on a winner. He's still young. And he could be moveable if the Heat get Beasley. I think all the talk about these other guys like Wilcox and Brand or whoever only helps try to milk more out if any deal with the Heat by showing them that we can shop around for other options. Now what a deal looks like - who is all involved - I wouldn't even guess. But I would bet anything that they do everything they can to get him here.

06-19-2008, 02:01 PM	#17 (permalink)
LX with pink peppercorns In the Paint Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 27,566 Representing:	I just noticed in another thread that Arsenalist called it on the Haslem deal yesterday. It was in the Pryzbilla thread actually - there's another guy thrown out there just to maybe get the Heat to bend a little more. Anyway, I didn't mean to ride on any coattails. Ha - I'm probably the last to call it. But what occurred to me last night was that we should not get too distracted by all these other names of bigs. Haslem is the guy.

06-19-2008, 02:13 PM	#18 (permalink)
INSIDER BOOBS never too old. Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: richmond hill Posts: 11,462 Representing:	i'd never trade Bosh for Brand... never. i remember 2 years back there was a rumour of us trading Bosh for Jermaine O'neal... and some people were all over that idea. and looky now at how that gem wouldve turned out for us! sure it sounds good now, but it would be a disaster in the future. Brand is coming off a serious injury and his conditioning and health is a huge concern. no thanks.

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Kuzzy is pounding the rock! (Edit) Guest Posts: n/a Representing:	please NO no brand, bosh > brand