Bosh's Value (for all haters)
Old 04-08-2010, 02:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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For a three-time 20-10 performer, a five-time All-Star, a legit "face of the franchise," Chris Bosh takes a lot of flak. Shaq famously called Bosh "the RuPaul of big men" last season. I watch The Soup, but I'm still not sure what exactly that means. Does Shaq mean Bosh is a ballerina trapped in a power forward's body or something? I haven't seen Bosh's pliť form in a while, but I know enough to disagree with the Big Aristotle, aka the Lou Pearlman of philosophers.

Criticism of Bosh is a lot wider than Shaq's waistline these days, though. (That says a lot.) Bosh has been knocked around for the inability of the Raptors to improve on their lot as a low-level Eastern playoff team (or worse) over the past few seasons. He's also been dinged for Toronto's real lack of toughness. (As if he invented Andrea Bargnani or met Hedo Turkoglu for scones!) Basically, the Raptors have largely failed since 2006-07, and the resident star Bosh must be held accountable by the continent's heroes of snark and misery.



But 20-10 and obviously legit All-Star berths can't all be a mirage; there's something here. But what, exactly? It should be an open-and-shut case that Bosh deserves a maximum contract from some lucky team this summer (that it's not in some corners says more about the state of basketball discourse than it does about CB4). If you need convincing, or ammunition for your battles with the faithless, read on.


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Everyone is aware statistically he's fantastic. Sometimes though, it just ain't about stats.
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Still doesn't explain why this guy can do all that and not carry a team
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Toronto fan don't need facts and stats...they need emotionally driven opinions. Where've you been
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Still doesn't explain why this guy can do all that and not carry a team
Actually it kinda does if you read the part about Andrea and Hedo.
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stats = bullshit

i would take a 25 year old kg, dirk and duncan over a 25 year old Bosh

and efficiency doesnt define a star/franchise player...according to that thing amare is better then Bosh kg and duncan....does that mean you would take amare over bosh?
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Old 04-08-2010, 02:45 PM   #7 (permalink)
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No one is strong enough to carry a boatload of "highly-skilled" European players on their back.

Not Kobe, Not Shaq, Not Bosh.

There's only so much one player can do against 5 players on the other team.
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Old 04-08-2010, 02:50 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Toronto has a curse of not providing its star player with a strong supporting cast:

Vince Carter: Lamond Murray, MOPETE, Hakeem, Antonio Davis (2 good years)

Bosh: Jalen Rose, JO, Hedo, Bargnani
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Still doesn't explain why this guy can do all that and not carry a team
The position he plays has alot to do with it, plus the lack of a star wing player.
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The position he plays has alot to do with it, plus the lack of a star wing player.
Not too many 4's can do it without a stud SG/SF. Bosh is not one of them, but he is a very good player, just below max. This team would be so much better with a top 15 SG, but we don't even have a top 25 SG... not good.
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stats = bullshit

i would take a 25 year old kg, dirk and duncan over a 25 year old Bosh

and efficiency doesnt define a star/franchise player...according to that thing amare is better then Bosh kg and duncan....does that mean you would take amare over bosh?
A 25 year old KG, dirk and duncan also had guys like ginobli, nash, cassell etc etc. The only reason ppl think Bosh is not worthy is because his team is shit and has never got passed the first round.

I know Bosh is not better than any of those players were but my point is that if we keep him and build around him properly we could be better than waiting for the lottery another year and wasting another year.

We have good pieces like derozan, weems, amir and if we put Bosh we could have a bright future.

Again my point is that Bosh can be successful in the future and we should give him another chance. If it doesn't work then we can trade him any other time because another team is going to give him a max anyways.
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Toronto has a curse of not providing its star player with a strong supporting cast:

Vince Carter: Lamond Murray, MOPETE, Hakeem, Antonio Davis (2 good years)

Bosh: Jalen Rose, JO, Hedo, Bargnani
Agreed our supporting cast is not very stable right now.

Bosh is not part of the problem IMO. Atleast with him we know what we are getting on a night in night out basis, granted his game is not perfect, but his stats are up there with the best of em. With our other guys who are so damn inconsistent who are also getting paid high dollar contracts it is just not something any all-star can put on their backs and carry. 1 v 5 is not the game to play there should be team some where in there, and our coaching staff is something else right now so thats another issue.

I bet my bottom dollar we can have any one of the these players: Kobe (in his prime), lebron, shaq (in his prime), dwight, Nowitzki, Amare or even Jordon (in his prime) here in Toronto amongst this team and coaching staff and it still wouldnt be any better than what it is right now

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The position he plays has alot to do with it, plus the lack of a star wing player.
Bingo!

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We need either a center that can hustle for rebounds and provide defense in the paint.

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Agreed our supporting cast is not very stable right now.

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We need either a center that can hustle for rebounds and provide defense in the paint (remember the good ol days of Duncan and Robinson)
Even Robinson would look terrible on defence with the way the Raptors perimeter defends against penetration. Switching Bargs out with another C does not make this a good team.
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I think Bargnani is fine with Bosh but not without him.

Andrea loves playing with bosh.

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“He’s the one guy I feel great playing with,” Bargnani said. “It would be sad if he leaves. I would be upset if he leaves. I play good with him.”
Andrea can become a good defender and so can chris. It is just that defence is a team thing and if not everyone is involved then a guy like Bargnani or chris get exposed.
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The position he plays has alot to do with it, plus the lack of a star wing player.
Next year: Bosh + Sonny Weems
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Even Robinson would look terrible on defence with the way the Raptors perimeter defends against penetration. Switching Bargs out with another C does not make this a good team.
not too sure about that statement...
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Toronto has a curse of not providing its star player with a strong supporting cast:

Vince Carter: Lamond Murray, MOPETE, Hakeem, Antonio Davis (2 good years)

Bosh: Jalen Rose, JO, Hedo, Bargnani
Tracy McGrady for Vince. Just sayin'
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A 25 year old KG, dirk and duncan also had guys like ginobli, nash, cassell etc etc. The only reason ppl think Bosh is not worthy is because his team is shit and has never got passed the first round.

I know Bosh is not better than any of those players were but my point is that if we keep him and build around him properly we could be better than waiting for the lottery another year and wasting another year.

We have good pieces like derozan, weems, amir and if we put Bosh we could have a bright future.

Again my point is that Bosh can be successful in the future and we should give him another chance. If it doesn't work then we can trade him any other time because another team is going to give him a max anyways.
Nope, the reason people aren't as high on Bosh as some others has nothing to do with getting past the first round.

My concerns are a few fold.

1. Is he tough enough to handle 82+ games? He's young and has he played 82 straight games. I understand older guys but sometimes he seems a bit fragile.

2. Is he worth a MAX contract. i.e. can this team handle another bad contract?

3. Is it just a relationship that isn't worth fixing any longer.
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so the alternative is what? If we have a chance to keep him and pay him, we keep him and pay him.

I don't disagree with your concerns at all Claudius - but I do think it's entirely possible that he gets that much stronger and more durable.
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The alternative for me is a complete rebuild, but that's just me.

I'd want my rebuild to be a cleaned house everywhere just to change the overall culture. Because right now that culture is well, soft.
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