Bosh's thoughts on his future with the Raps
Old 04-16-2009, 01:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Came across this Eric Smith blog thingy with Bosh answering some pretty big Q's!

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RE: If anything this year (finishing 33-49) changed his mind about maybe sticking long-term with T.O.

No. Not at all.
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RE: The possibility of signing an extension this summer

I dont know if were even going to discuss that. I dont know what hes going to bring to the table with me. Thats something we may want to talk about.
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Old 04-16-2009, 01:29 PM   #2 (permalink)
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RE: His status with the Raptors next year and what he can say to the fans

“I plan on being here next year. I understand how things go, but if I haven’t said anything then everyone is being skeptical. Until I say something or something happens - you can’t worry.”

“I’m just worried about the summer right now. I finally have some time to rest. I’m here right now - and this is where I want to be. This is where I want to play basketball.”

“All the contract talks and everything - I’ll just put that to the side and focus on what I can do to get better.”
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Old 04-16-2009, 01:47 PM   #3 (permalink)
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ok, supposing he does return next season, i'll just side with what others said: should he resign, trade him the latter. some say he's not the 'franchise' player that can lead a team, which i agree. lebron, kobe - they are franchise players who can make their team mates listen. why do you think cleveland has been sucking all those years until his arrival? shaq left and everyone thought the lakers are finished. Bosh is a great/underrated 6'10 in this league that can rack up the stats. but i think we need more than just 15+ppg 9.5rpg. the thing is, i would sign him back and if colangelo doesn't make drastic changes in the offseason, i'd trade him before the deadline next year. just my 2cents.
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Old 04-16-2009, 01:49 PM   #4 (permalink)
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So basically what you're saying if I understand you correctly is we need Kobe or Lebron?
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Old 04-16-2009, 01:51 PM   #5 (permalink)
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ok, supposing he does return next season, i'll just side with what others said: should he resign, trade him the latter. some say he's not the 'franchise' player that can lead a team, which i agree. lebron, kobe - they are franchise players who can make their team mates listen. why do you think cleveland has been sucking all those years until his arrival? shaq left and everyone thought the lakers are finished. Bosh is a great/underrated 6'10 in this league that can rack up the stats. but i think we need more than just 15+ppg 9.5rpg. the thing is, i would sign him back and if colangelo doesn't make drastic changes in the offseason, i'd trade him before the deadline next year. just my 2cents.
He avgd 20 + 10.... and in the latter stages of the season (when he had some good teammates around him) he won 3 games for us in the last minute.

If we trade him this team takes a GIANT step backwards.
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Old 04-16-2009, 02:53 PM   #6 (permalink)
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If need be he can be traded down the line, and hopefully from a position of strength. He's smart enough to know that's the way to go himself. The team needs to get Marion by the looks of things right now. I'd love to see Bosh do everything he can to make that happen.
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Old 04-16-2009, 02:56 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Oh and TORaps - thanks for giving giant the all caps treatment. But what - you couldn't have bolded it as well? Maybe enlarged the whole font? Maybe used the Rusty the Rooster font?

Sorry. I'm totally kidding. Just made me laugh thinking about it.
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Old 04-16-2009, 09:06 PM   #8 (permalink)
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So basically what you're saying if I understand you correctly is we need Kobe or Lebron?
Well, ya.

one of either would help this team immensely.

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Old 04-16-2009, 11:01 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Personally I liked how he played the final 20 games. Not sure about the numbers, but he seemed to pass the ball a lot more and it's fairly impressive how he (and the whole team) kept playing hard until the end.

That being said, the only scenario where I see giving max money to Bosh is if we manage to get a starting quality SG and SF and MLSE willing to go over the luxury. Because assuming that Andreea becomes a stud and we give marion 9, we'd have to pay the 4 stars 8 + 9 + 18 + 15 = 50 million, leaving only 20 for the other 10-11 players. If the SG gets 6-7 , we'll need to assemble a bench with 10 million which means only minimum contracts
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:04 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Old 04-17-2009, 12:21 AM   #11 (permalink)
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ok, supposing he does return next season, i'll just side with what others said: should he resign, trade him the latter. some say he's not the 'franchise' player that can lead a team, which i agree. lebron, kobe - they are franchise players who can make their team mates listen. why do you think cleveland has been sucking all those years until his arrival? shaq left and everyone thought the lakers are finished. Bosh is a great/underrated 6'10 in this league that can rack up the stats. but i think we need more than just 15+ppg 9.5rpg. the thing is, i would sign him back and if colangelo doesn't make drastic changes in the offseason, i'd trade him before the deadline next year. just my 2cents.
Everybody is an expert GM now ... I do not understand this non sense: how trading Bosh who you consider a lower level than a real franchise player (aka LeBron and Wade) would give you "more than just 15+ppg 9.5rpg. " (besides the fact that the real numbers are more likely 20-10). Also, the Lakers status after Shaq left was shitty, they barely made the playoffs and they became good only after they "raped" Grizzlies and got Gasol for nothing.

We have to realize some things:
1. NBA have 30 teams, is going to be hard for each team to have LeBrons and Wades as franchise players.
2. Championships are won by teams not by franchise players and the leading role is usually assigned to a core of 3-4 players.
3. Just trading away your best asset and getting back a good player doesn't mean Raptors became suddenly better, the new "good player" will need some time to adjust if he will ever adjust. A team needs stability and so far Bosh didn't give us any reason to believe he is not 100% committed winning games for Raptors, the problem was he never had the right team around him.
4. This non sense with number 1 option ... good teams usually have 2-3 players that relies to be first option depending on context. To have only one option #1 for all cases is just doomed to fail. Bosh needs a really good SG/SF to play along, regardless of who is number one.
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Old 04-17-2009, 12:52 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Everybody is an expert GM now ... I do not understand this non sense: how trading Bosh who you consider a lower level than a real franchise player (aka LeBron and Wade) would give you "more than just 15+ppg 9.5rpg. " (besides the fact that the real numbers are more likely 20-10). Also, the Lakers status after Shaq left was shitty, they barely made the playoffs and they became good only after they "raped" Grizzlies and got Gasol for nothing.

We have to realize some things:
1. NBA have 30 teams, is going to be hard for each team to have LeBrons and Wades as franchise players.
2. Championships are won by teams not by franchise players and the leading role is usually assigned to a core of 3-4 players.
3. Just trading away your best asset and getting back a good player doesn't mean Raptors became suddenly better, the new "good player" will need some time to adjust if he will ever adjust. A team needs stability and so far Bosh didn't give us any reason to believe he is not 100% committed winning games for Raptors, the problem was he never had the right team around him.
4. This non sense with number 1 option ... good teams usually have 2-3 players that relies to be first option depending on context. To have only one option #1 for all cases is just doomed to fail. Bosh needs a really good SG/SF to play along, regardless of who is number one.
100% agreed.....without Bosh we will be way...way...way worse....
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Old 04-17-2009, 08:47 AM   #13 (permalink)
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guys trading him is ONLY an option if he tells BC in confidence that he is indeed 100% leaving.

No deal will be fair otherwise.
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Old 04-17-2009, 01:35 PM   #14 (permalink)
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4. This non sense with number 1 option ... good teams usually have 2-3 players that relies to be first option depending on context. To have only one option #1 for all cases is just doomed to fail. Bosh needs a really good SG/SF to play along, regardless of who is number one.
the main problem is that he will eat the salary of a #1 piece, thus leaving less money for two all-star level quality players. Maybe they should make a rule that only players heading for the hall of fame should ever get max salary ...
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this is why no name teams like the Raptors have a hard time competing
its hard enough for them to find a franchise player and then when they finally do his value takes such a big chunk out of the salary cap that they can't afford other good players
while many big name teams can get multiple stars who either sign for less collectively or their franchises allow them to go over the cap
thats the single 1 thing the nba needs to take from the nhl, the strict salary cap where no team can go over at all, this helps level the playing field for all teams and forces stars to be spread around the league unless they are willing to take severe pay cuts
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So basically what you're saying if I understand you correctly is we need Kobe or Lebron?
I'd settle for Wade.

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So basically what you're saying if I understand you correctly is we need Kobe or Lebron?
ideally yes - winning without a player like that requires extreme judiciousness with your money. While you can win without a superstar, you need to get lucky with a few gems (like detroit with billups and ben wallace). Overpaying all star players to 1st team nba level salaries is not going to work.
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ideally yes - winning without a player like that requires extreme judiciousness with your money. While you can win without a superstar, you need to get lucky with a few gems (like detroit with billups and ben wallace). Overpaying all star players to 1st team nba level salaries is not going to work.
He's saying we need a Kobe, Wade or Lebron guy like they just grow on trees.

My point was there's only so many players like that to go around.
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If need be he can be traded down the line, and hopefully from a position of strength.
Doesn't really work like that. Star returns aren't better in the middle of a contract than in a position like we are now... in both cases they suck. Usually because whenever a team wants to trade a star, it's for a reason. IE he's not good enough, he wants out or is a sourpuss, etc. Players in real positions of strength don't get traded. Bosh's value might be highest now because at least there isn't a significant reason like that for us to trade him.

Keeping him longer also has more detriments: His knees could give out and kill his value/fuck us, he could become VC/AI/Amare level dissatisfied and thus lower his value to expirings like them, and he becomes older and less of a long term franchise deal for teams. Plus it pushes the next stage back a few years.

Teams in our position have gone each way. The Spurs kept old DRob and the Celtics kept Pierce and through luck had #1 superstars fall in their lap. On the other hand Philly kept AI, Minny kept KG, Indiana kept JO, Memphis kept Pau, Portland kept Zach... they all ended up in horseshit within a few years and were forced to pawn them off for scraps, with a few wasted years behind them. Sans the KG deal as he's a top 25 player of all-time and like Shaq had immortal value.

But here's the deal. Portland got better. The Grizzlies got better after trading Shareef and after the bad Pau deal still have a really good core going forward. The Wolves are looking up. Philly has bad contracts but are still as good as in the late AI area. Indy again has horrible deals but as they're only in post JO era year 1, 9th in the East isn't bad. Orlando lost Tmac for nothing and are now a perennial 50-60 win team. We suffered 1.5 seasons after trading VC. OKC's in a great position two years after giving up Ray Ray. Losing stars is NOT doom, even when the return stinks.

The real teams that fail are the ones that commit themselves to bad, overpaid contracts. Clippers, Milwaukee, Indiana, New York, Golden State, Charlotte, Washington. ALL have bad contracts taking a crap down their collective throats. Arenas, Davis, Jamison, Redd, Maggette, Crawford, Curry and friends, Murphy/Dunleavy/Tinsley, Jefferson, Hughes... all their teams are golfing. How many playoff teams have an ass contract on them? Miami with JO, Philly with Brand? Both .500 teams, nothing special really. Orlando with Shard, but he's still an all-star and his deal hasn't kicked into horrible mode yet. Denver has Kmart, but he's still a very underrated player. That's where it ends, though. Now what non-playoff teams don't have crippling deals: OKC, Minny, Memphis, Sacramento. All understandbly super young with great futures, assuming Sacramento gets Griffin/Rubio. I left us off because we missed the playoffs this year partly because JO's contract, later Marion's, ripped out the heart of our bench and wing depth Temple of Doom style. Next year we'll be back in the playoffs without that

With smart management, rebuilding works and can be done in 1.5-2 years, but the key word is SMART. Rebuilding works, what doesn't is loading up on shitty max deals. Luckily I have faith in BC's financial responsibility.

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