Bosh wont discuss his future: Seen @ Game 2 of NBA Finals
Old 06-07-2010, 09:30 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Bosh Won't Discuss His Future

Raptors forward Chris Bosh attended Game 2 of the NBA Finals on Sunday night, but wouldn't discuss his pending free agency.

Bosh declined to talk when approached by the Toronto Sun's Frank Zicarelli, but fans in Los Angeles had plenty of words for the All-Star.

"We'd love for you to play here, Chris," one Lakers fan shouted.

Bosh has attended two playoff games in L.A. this spring.

When asked if there's anything he wants to say about his future in Toronto, Bosh stopped and said: "I don't want to say anything."

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If Bynum wasn't so damn injury prone, it would be the sweetheart deal.... dude is capable of dominating and doesn't disappear against great teams like the Celtics.... legit size and skill like Bynum beside Bargs would give the Raps incredible frontcourt length, scoring and defence, and allow the perimeter to not have to cheat so much.... it would definitely hamper Bibby's (and the like) chances of lighting us up from beyond the ark
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Bynum sure did look good in last nights Game 2 of the Finals...
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If Bynum wasn't so damn injury prone, it would be the sweetheart deal.... dude is capable of dominating and doesn't disappear against great teams like the Celtics.... legit size and skill like Bynum beside Bargs would give the Raps incredible frontcourt length, scoring and defence, and allow the perimeter to not have to cheat so much.... it would definitely hamper Bibby's (and the like) chances of lighting us up from beyond the ark
The only reason why Bynum is being discussed is because he IS injury prone. If he wasn't, I can assure you that there's no way the Lakers would even entertain the thought of giving him up
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The only reason why Bynum is being discussed is because he IS injury prone. If he wasn't, I can assure you that there's no way the Lakers would even entertain the thought of giving him up
well, that's not entirely true, but you are fairly accurate. Even when healthy, Bynum hasn't been nearly as consistent or dominant as most would have hoped. They would definitely discuss it, maybe not pull the trigger on a healthy Bynum... depending on sweeteners.
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After playing one of his best games last night, it might be pretty hard for them to let him go.

Also - it's not like the Raps lacked size over the last couple of seasons. They need a perimeter defender more than size. The biggest problem is all the help that has been needed, including help from the bigs, and that has hurt in terms of rebounding and easy baskets. I don't see Bynum being a magic bullet to make that go away. Nor do I see Bynum as being happy about being carted off to a losing team in Canada, or being able to respond to playing games that a far more difficult for himself with so many fewer threats around him.
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Here's a thought. Maybe returning to Toronto and cashing in at a time when salaries could conceivably drop considerably soon after with the new CBA, would not be such an unfavorable outcome in Bosh's mind. Maybe he is looking to go to LA and win big, or team up with Lebron and win big, both understandable options for him to want to explore. But if those options don't pan out, maybe his next best option is sign on here to gain some certainty for his career going forward, and still remain available for the heavy-hitters in this league through a trade, if Toronto continues to fail to become one of those elite teams.

I would say he probably puts LA in front of Toronto at this point, and is probably doing what he can to make that happen, but it might not be workable at all, and if that ends up being the case, then maybe that changes everything to the point where Toronto can be made to look much more attractive again. I guess my point is that it's just too early to write him off just yet.
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After playing one of his best games last night, it might be pretty hard for them to let him go.

Also - it's not like the Raps lacked size over the last couple of seasons. They need a perimeter defender more than size. The biggest problem is all the help that has been needed, including help from the bigs, and that has hurt in terms of rebounding and easy baskets. I don't see Bynum being a magic bullet to make that go away. Nor do I see Bynum as being happy about being carted off to a losing team in Canada, or being able to respond to playing games that a far more difficult for himself with so many fewer threats around him.
While probably not loving Canada, I'd think Bynum would love to showcase himself as a stud center on a lesser team... dude would get all of his touches, and it's widely known he loves playing offence. The length and size he brings the Raptors have lacked the last few years. He is much bigger than Bosh, and much more capable of shutting down guys than Bosh has been or been willing to. It would be a very big upgrade on D, and also a different look on offence that would be more synchronized with Bargnani's skillset. Bosh may be the better player, but not beside Bargnani.
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While probably not loving Canada, I'd think Bynum would love to showcase himself as a stud center on a lesser team... dude would get all of his touches, and it's widely known he loves playing offence. The length and size he brings the Raptors have lacked the last few years. He is much bigger than Bosh, and much more capable of shutting down guys than Bosh has been or been willing to. It would be a very big upgrade on D, and also a different look on offence that would be more synchronized with Bargnani's skillset. Bosh may be the better player, but not beside Bargnani.
Agreed Bynum is an inside player, Bosh is an outside/in player & so is AB.
A trade of Bosh for Bynum would make us the tallest team at the 4 & 5 positions in the NBA & that is something most of us would like!

& with Bynum playing through injury he has shown he is maturing, I'm not sure LA will give up on him, but if they think Bosh is a better option then I see no reason why we don't trade for him?
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If LA loses the final, I think that trade may go down.
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Agreed Bynum is an inside player, Bosh is an outside/in player & so is AB.
A trade of Bosh for Bynum would make us the tallest team at the 4 & 5 positions in the NBA & that is something most of us would like!

& with Bynum playing through injury he has shown he is maturing, I'm not sure LA will give up on him, but if they think Bosh is a better option then I see no reason why we don't trade for him?
tallest frontcourt and laziest. Im no worried about bynums health as much as bargnani's laziness and lack of focus which is only going to be more exposed at pf. Having to guard more agile players and step out or help guard pick and role even more. Lets just say Bargnani gonna have to bend his knees a litte more then usual
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While probably not loving Canada, I'd think Bynum would love to showcase himself as a stud center on a lesser team... dude would get all of his touches, and it's widely known he loves playing offence. The length and size he brings the Raptors have lacked the last few years. He is much bigger than Bosh, and much more capable of shutting down guys than Bosh has been or been willing to. It would be a very big upgrade on D, and also a different look on offence that would be more synchronized with Bargnani's skillset. Bosh may be the better player, but not beside Bargnani.
I think that you're being a bit too optimistic here....

Bynum is a nice PIECE to add to a team... but he's not a franchise player.... and likely never will be. His offense is on par with D12's... which is to say that it's spotty at best when he doesn't catch the ball within 6 ft of the basket.

His defense wouldn't matter either if our perimeter guys can't keep guys in front of them. He'd just end up picking up quick fouls.

Let's not forget that this kid has had maybe ONE or two good games so far in these playoffs.... and he's playing with Kobe/Odom/Artest/Pau.

Makes a difference.
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I think that you're being a bit too optimistic here....

Bynum is a nice PIECE to add to a team... but he's not a franchise player.... and likely never will be. His offense is on par with D12's... which is to say that it's spotty at best when he doesn't catch the ball within 6 ft of the basket.

His defense wouldn't matter either if our perimeter guys can't keep guys in front of them. He'd just end up picking up quick fouls.

Let's not forget that this kid has had maybe ONE or two good games so far in these playoffs.... and he's playing with Kobe/Odom/Artest/Pau.

Makes a difference.
I wouldn't be looking for him to be the scorer... but I guarantee you he'd get more easy buckets than Bosh does. I'm tired of the dump it in to Bosh gameplan that removes ball movement from the offence. Bynum's impact will be more on the defensive side of the game, as Bosh has often been a spectator there....

With anything there is risk.... maybe injury, maybe selfishness... I just think this team could use the additional size and length that Bynum has so that our perimeter players aren't having to cheat as much to help out... they'll still get blown by, but at least they can contest threes. I also think we are slowly getting more athletic on the wings as DD and Weems play more.

I have also been advocating this move well before his two good playoff games...
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I wouldn't be looking for him to be the scorer... but I guarantee you he'd get more easy buckets than Bosh does. I'm tired of the dump it in to Bosh gameplan that removes ball movement from the offence. Bynum's impact will be more on the defensive side of the game, as Bosh has often been a spectator there....

With anything there is risk.... maybe injury, maybe selfishness... I just think this team could use the additional size and length that Bynum has so that our perimeter players aren't having to cheat as much to help out... they'll still get blown by, but at least they can contest threes. I also think we are slowly getting more athletic on the wings as DD and Weems play more.

I have also been advocating this move well before his two good playoff games...
With Bosh we had a top 5 offense in the league.... and Bosh actually avgd the LEAST amount of FGAs of any star in the top 10 in scoring.

The attention that he drew also freed up A LOT of our guys for open looks.

Where was the "free-flowing" offense when Bosh was out the last 5 games of the season? It looked like a struggle against life itself to put the ball in the basket.

One thing I WILL agree with you on though.... Weems and DD are going to play very important roles for us defensively. They are keys if we want to go anywhere on that end.
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With Bosh we had a top 5 offense in the league.... and Bosh actually avgd the LEAST amount of FGAs of any star in the top 10 in scoring.

The attention that he drew also freed up A LOT of our guys for open looks.

Where was the "free-flowing" offense when Bosh was out the last 5 games of the season? It looked like a struggle against life itself to put the ball in the basket.

One thing I WILL agree with you on though.... Weems and DD are going to play very important roles for us defensively. They are keys if we want to go anywhere on that end.
you can't take a major cog of the offence out and expect it to function great, especially when too much emphasis is generally placed on that cog to start with.... it's not really a valid counter-argument, though I am sure you are aware of that. Secondly, If you remove Bosh you are looking to bring in another top 3 offensive option at worst.... I just believe Bosh shouldn't be the first and most used offensive option on his team. Garnett is what Bosh should strive to be... a dominant PF defensively that can still cause mismatches on offence and still get his 20/10, though alot of that 20 should come on easy buckets not 10 second faceups that result in fading j's. This team could be really good if Bosh had been the defensive terror he has the potential to be... he has major quicks and enough hops/length to do so, but he takes on too much offensive load (also compounded by coaching as well)
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With Bosh we had a top 5 offense in the league.... and Bosh actually avgd the LEAST amount of FGAs of any star in the top 10 in scoring.

The attention that he drew also freed up A LOT of our guys for open looks.

Where was the "free-flowing" offense when Bosh was out the last 5 games of the season? It looked like a struggle against life itself to put the ball in the basket.
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Okay, I want no part of this debate, but I need to chim in quickly. Offense is not a problem. It's just not. The Raps offensive effieciency actually went up during the 12 games (spread out) that Bosh missed this season. Yes, there were a few games that they really struggled, but there were also games in which they struggled while he was healthy. The 12 games Bosh missed were against a sample that is indicative of the league's overall competition level. The Raps played some tough teams like Cleveland, Boston, Portland, @Atlanta, @OKC, some mid level teams like Chicago, @Houston, and then a few against week teams like New Jersey, Washington and New York.

Add Bynum to that non-Bosh roster and the offensive rating probably goes up further, since Bynum would help them on the road and against teams that play tough D.

The thing is, the Raps DEFENSE actually slipped when Bosh was out. If anything, they needed more DEFENSE from Bosh, NOT offesnse.

So, if you're going to make an argument for keeping Bosh, which I think is a fair thing to do, it shouldn't be based so much on his offense, unless you're saying we can ditch other guys for more defensive minded players because we have Bosh (or something like that).

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The defense got worse with Bosh out, because the team was that much more exposed, particular the triumvirate of Bargnani, Hedo, and Jose. So yeah - my argument would be in terms of defense, as well as being pretty irreplaceable for an entire season on offense. I agree that he should carry less of an offensive load. That is exactly what has been missing here for years - someone else that can carry more of the load, without being called Me-J of course.

As long as it's Bargnani that is staying, and not Bosh, I suspect we'll hear plenty of talk about getting better on defense, and the reality will be that they continue to struggle of defense. You just can't have a guy completely taking plays off on that end of the court without it having a net negative effect, even if he's surrounded by strong defenders.

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The defense got worse with Bosh out, because the team was that much more exposed, particular the triumvirate of Bargnani, Hedo, and Jose. So yeah - my argument would be in terms of defense, as well as being pretty irreplaceable for an entire season on offense. I agree that he should carry less of an offensive load. That is exactly what has been missing here for years - someone else that can carry more of the load, without being called Me-J of course.

As long as it's Bargnani that is staying, and not Bosh, I suspect we'll hear plenty of talk about getting better on defense, and the reality will be that they continue to struggle of defense. You just can't have a guy completely taking plays off on that end of the court without it having a net negative effect, even if he's surrounded by strong defenders.
Bosh took as many plays off defensively as Bargnani did... if you think not, you're clearly too focused on pointing out Bargnani's deficiencies.
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ABA & ABY will be a good tall front line if it happens it might not be as good on offence but man on man defense it will be!

Just so you know, going on what we have been seeing from LA this season ABY is a great help defender!

Although like ABY does take plays off, he can do that while playing with the Lakers cause of all that talent.

I would do this trade but I think we need to get a 3rd team involved so we can get more than just ABY & fillers back.
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