Bosh pushed into leadership role too young?
Old 11-28-2009, 01:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Just thinking about things after reading that article about the Raps' lack of intensity in the lockerroom.... and it got me wondering..... maybe part of the problem with Chris is that he hasn't had anyone to look up to... to bring him along and SHOW him how to win.

Not every player can be like Lebron James and just come right in ready to dominate the league.

Most need guidance. And that guidance often comes not from a coach, but from older, more experienced players (whether they be stars or not).

I don't think that Bosh has ever really had this. At least not on a consistent basis. It's just been a merry-go-round of players going in and out of the roster and Chris has never had that star player on the team to SHOW him how to lead. He spent one year with VC.... who was actively in the process of not giving a shit and trying to get traded. Hardly the best example to learn from.

You look at Wade who had 'Zo, Payton and Shaq to learn from....

You look at Kobe who had Shaq & Horry to learn from (and in Phil the best motivator in the game).

You look at TD who was able to slide right in playing with vets like Avery, Elliot and Robinson.

You look at VC who had guys like Oakley, Childs and Willis.


More than anything right now I'm starting to feel as though Chris still needs some leadership training.... the question is..... is there anyone here that can give it to him?
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Old 11-28-2009, 02:10 PM   #2 (permalink)
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bosh had more balls as a leader 4 season's ago

i remember him getting in Bargnani face after his typical lazy shit when the princess was a rook. Then Bargnani started to play better after that

Not sure what colangelo said to bosh, Don't hurt my baby , but he hasn't gotten into anyones face since and we need it.
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who did Roy learn from? how bout Durant?
it can work
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Old 11-28-2009, 02:20 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Not sure what colangelo said to bosh, Don't hurt my baby , but he hasn't gotten into anyones face since and we need it.
lol hahaha

im not sure...some people are just not leaders. its not their personality, their life. hes probably been living his life as a follower instead of a leader. i do see what you are saying though.
after all, he came into the league right around the vince Carter drama, who was a great leader to look up to
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Old 11-28-2009, 02:38 PM   #5 (permalink)
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who did Roy learn from? how bout Durant?
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Roy and Durant haven't led anyone, anywhere.
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Roy and Durant haven't led anyone, anywhere.
Roy = playoffs/ looks like its going to be a playoff team for years to come
Durant = better record than Toronto

they've been in the league for less time
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Are you serious?

Maybe, just maybe Chris ain't a leader.

Great player, but no leader. Has this even crossed minds yet? Being the best player doesn't neccessarily equate being a leader. Look at Denver. Melo is the best player on that team, but getting a guy like Billups who IS a leader made that team 100x times more confident and better. While look at Detroit without him.

So maybe we should realize that CB4 just isn't a leader.
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Old 11-28-2009, 03:30 PM   #8 (permalink)
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leader's are overated, build me a team with a roster of players that don't need their hand held. Only the weak need to be led
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KG had Smitch and Derrick Martin -just like Bosh...You either contain the superiority complex on the court or you don't. KG has it, as does Bosh -but to a lesser extent. Both guys had a similiar amount of talent and leadership surrounding them upon entering the L -basically none; excluding Robert Archibald. But KG appers to be leaps and bounds ahead of Bosh regarding the ability to lead and motivate. It's just something natural IMO.

Bosh just wants to be the best in terms of youtube hits. I can't believe he allows guys to eat popcorn.
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He's lead in some ways. There's always the need for solid vets to bring leadership, and leadership skills. I still look to Jack and Evans to help out in that area, but Jack is just getting his feet under him now, and Evans can only do so much from the bench right now.
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He's lead in some ways. There's always the need for solid vets to bring leadership, and leadership skills. I still look to Jack and Evans to help out in that area, but Jack is just getting his feet under him now, and Evans can only do so much from the bench right now.
And that's what I'm pointing to.

I'm not sure why BC seems to be downplaying the importance of this.

This team NEEDS a couple of vocal, no-nonsense vets who aren't afraid to get into opponents' AND teammates' faces.

Maybe Reggie is one of those guys.... maybe Wright is one of those guys.... who knows at this point?

I'd give my left nut to do a Battier for Bargs trade right about now.
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Old 11-28-2009, 04:34 PM   #12 (permalink)
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And that's what I'm pointing to.

I'm not sure why BC seems to be downplaying the importance of this.

This team NEEDS a couple of vocal, no-nonsense vets who aren't afraid to get into opponents' AND teammates' faces.

Maybe Reggie is one of those guys.... maybe Wright is one of those guys.... who knows at this point?

I'd give my left nut to do a Battier for Bargs trade right about now.
That is soo true, BC said in the offseason that his one goal is to get some vets to guide the younger players. Well this team has the most softest vets ever: Rasho (I love his contribution but he is not the one to get in someone's face), Hedo (same as rasho)

This team only has two vets that have balls, Wright and Evans. That is clearly not enough. We need real bullies on this team and the only one is Evan. Look at celtics, lakers, nuggets they all have thugs on their teams which is not a bad thing in some cases.
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That is soo true, BC said in the offseason that his one goal is to get some vets to guide the younger players. Well this team has the most softest vets ever: Rasho (I love his contribution but he is not the one to get in someone's face), Hedo (same as rasho)

This team only has two vets that have balls, Wright and Evans. That is clearly not enough. We need real bullies on this team and the only one is Evan. Look at celtics, lakers, nuggets they all have thugs on their teams which is not a bad thing in some cases.
I agree that we need to have a couple guys step up and be that kind of people but Wright and Evans are not the answer because at best they are role players that do not contribute to the degree where anyone will actually listen.
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Old 11-29-2009, 12:56 AM   #14 (permalink)
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bosh is not a leader - but people fail to understand that the leader and the best player don't necessarily have to be the same person.

In fact, on most good teams the true leader is the coach - and leadership does not equal yelling (sam was a horrible leader).
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