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Old 11-19-2009, 04:09 PM   #61 (permalink)
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What claim have I (a self-professed "Bosh-lover") ever made that could be considered ridiculous?

No one here has said that he's going to be the MVP.

No one has even said that he's a lock for 1st team All-NBA.

No one's pencilling him in for the HOF or claiming that he's a top 5 player in the league.


So what exactly have you found to be so outrageous?


As for Bosh vs. Millsap on the Jazz.... Don't get me wrong... I love Millsap. LOVE him... but he's not a dominant PF, and I'm not sure that he ever will be. Just doesn't have the size or the 1-on-1 moves. He's well-suited to be a "Marion" type player... great in support... but not as a go-to option.

My point about Bosh and his proposed salary is this... look at the salaries that the Magic are paying out right now. D12... VC... Lewis.... and we're griping about ONE guy making the max? If we let him walk it's going to be a blow that it'll take us YEARS to recover from (again). We'll essentially be relying on a lucky draft pick, because what FA worth his salt is going to want to come here (unless we overpay him)?

If Bosh is going to give us 5-6 years of his current play then I consider that well worth the money.
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I have seen all those claims on these boards. Not from you. But from others? Oh yes.

As for Millsap. Of course Bosh is better. But Millsap is a good player, who can be signed to a reasonable contract. You have Deron as a healthy option (his ability to break players off the dribble plus his shooting ability); then try to bring in a true scorer at the SG position. Really, a Ray Allen type of player would be perfect even at his advanced age. Now you have a balanced squad without the hindrance of a max contract (AK47 is our Vernon Wells).

Lastly, I don't want to make this a what is CB4 worth debate, because it's not. As a Jazz fan, I make it that, as a Raps fan, I don't. The Raps don't really have a bad contract the Jazz do. Having 2 potentially bad contracts in a small market would kill that team. The Raps can afford a potentially bad contract. As for Orlando, how big of a window do they really have? And I'll pay attention to them when they win a ring. Right now all roads lead through Boston still.
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Old 11-19-2009, 07:10 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Perhaps... but you could easily argue that ORL is much closer to a title than UTH is.

The Jazz will be a team in transition next season when Boozer's gone and we'll get to see how good Milsap really is (and what kind of money he gets).

As for the Bosh claims.... lol.... I guess I'll have to pay closer attention from now on. All I've seen are Snooch's and highonpsi's ridiculous ravings.

Once again though.... we could do much worse for $16M/yr.
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Old 11-19-2009, 08:32 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Perhaps... but you could easily argue that ORL is much closer to a title than UTH is.

The Jazz will be a team in transition next season when Boozer's gone and we'll get to see how good Milsap really is (and what kind of money he gets).

As for the Bosh claims.... lol.... I guess I'll have to pay closer attention from now on. All I've seen are Snooch's and highonpsi's ridiculous ravings.

Once again though.... we could do much worse for $16M/yr.
by ridiculous if you mean correct then fine.

If not you must be stoned.

16 million is great, 20 million is bad.
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Perhaps... but you could easily argue that ORL is much closer to a title than UTH is.

The Jazz will be a team in transition next season when Boozer's gone and we'll get to see how good Milsap really is (and what kind of money he gets).

As for the Bosh claims.... lol.... I guess I'll have to pay closer attention from now on. All I've seen are Snooch's and highonpsi's ridiculous ravings.

Once again though.... we could do much worse for $16M/yr.
Orlando is closer because they have a dominant centre. Having a dominant centre is still the quickest way to a title.

And Utah really doesn't need Boozer. Hell, Millsap last season proved he's a starter.
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Old 11-20-2009, 10:39 AM   #65 (permalink)
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With all due respect C, that's a load of crap.

Guys like Nash, Lebron, Paul and Kobe have achieved success because they've had good TEAMMATES to play with. Guys that are either tier 2 stars or excellent role players who know how to play the game.

What did Kobe do a few years back when he was on the Lakers by himself? 1st round playoff loss... just like Bosh.

What did KG do in Minny for all those years?

What has Wade done in MIA since Shaq's left?

You want to call it "Bosh homerism" but the reality of the situation is this: Chris Bosh is an excellent player and most certainly a player that you can build around. You just can't put him on a team and expect him to win 50+ games by himself. Is he perfect? Of course not. Is he going to make his share of gaffes? Of course he is.... but at the end of the day he's one of the most dominant big men in the league... and you can bet your ass that the 29 other teams in the league will doing everything they can to grab him from us.
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if i may add my own 2cents, Lebron, Kobe, Nash..they're people who can influence/affect their team mates. i just wonder how Bosh is persuasive in the locker room.
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Orlando is closer because they have a dominant centre. Having a dominant centre is still the quickest way to a title.

And Utah really doesn't need Boozer. Hell, Millsap last season proved he's a starter.
We'll see next season C..... once again.. I love Millsap... but you're underrating Boozer. When he's healthy he's DAMN good. And a much tougher matchup to guard.

As for ORL... they could probably start Gortat at C and still win 60 games with that roster (a bit harder now with Nelson gone). You need a dominant BIG and a dominant WING to win a title. Doesn't have to be a Centre. The Celts and Lakers won their titles with role players manning the middle.
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We'll see next season C..... once again.. I love Millsap... but you're underrating Boozer. When he's healthy he's DAMN good. And a much tougher matchup to guard.

As for ORL... they could probably start Gortat at C and still win 60 games with that roster (a bit harder now with Nelson gone). You need a dominant BIG and a dominant WING to win a title. Doesn't have to be a Centre. The Celts and Lakers won their titles with role players manning the middle.
Perkins may not be dominant sure, but you had guys still in their prime or near the end in Ray, KG and Pierce.

And while Bynum wasn't dominant in the playoffs, having Gasol play the 5 in some occasions helped. Plus I wouldn't call Bynum a roll player.

But then you look at Detroit (Ben Wallace), Miami (Shaq), Los Angeles (Shaq) and even San Antonio (Duncan) and having a game changer at the 5 is big. And that team without Howard is a 45 win team at best. Howard does so much for them offensively and creates so much room for them to operate. Rashard and VC get how many open looks? You're forced to double and adapt.

Take Howard off that squad and they go down more than a few notches both offensively and defensively.

And regarding Boozer. I've watched him enough to know that he really doesn't do anything special. Good regular season player though.
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Perkins may not be dominant sure, but you had guys still in their prime or near the end in Ray, KG and Pierce.

And while Bynum wasn't dominant in the playoffs, having Gasol play the 5 in some occasions helped. Plus I wouldn't call Bynum a roll player.

But then you look at Detroit (Ben Wallace), Miami (Shaq), Los Angeles (Shaq) and even San Antonio (Duncan) and having a game changer at the 5 is big. And that team without Howard is a 45 win team at best. Howard does so much for them offensively and creates so much room for them to operate. Rashard and VC get how many open looks? You're forced to double and adapt.

Take Howard off that squad and they go down more than a few notches both offensively and defensively.

And regarding Boozer. I've watched him enough to know that he really doesn't do anything special. Good regular season player though.
Defensively? Yes, without question.... but they'd still have 3 guys (Nelson, VC, Lewis) who are more than capable of creating their shot of the dribble. They'd also still have guys like Gortat, Pietrus & Barnes who are pretty good defensively.

I still put them at 50 wins minus D12.
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