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Old 08-23-2009, 01:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Dirk Nowitzki and Chris Bosh are two of the most similar players in the league. Both players prefer to play from the perimeter and low post, as opposed to with their back to the basket. Obviously, the question arises: Which is the better player?
Dirk Nowitzki: 25.9 point per game, 8.4 rebounds pg, 2.4 assists, 0.8 steals and blocks pg, 47.9 field goal percentage, 89 free throw percentage, 35.7 three point percentage, and 37.7 minutes pg.
Chris Bosh: 22.7 ppg, 10.0 rpg, 2.5 apg, 0.9 spg, 1.0 bpg, 48.7 FG percentage, 81.7 FT percentage, 24.5 3P percentage, and 38.0 mpg.
As we can see, Nowitzki is the better scorer and shooter, while Bosh is the better rebounder and shot blocker. Though it's close, I'd have to go with Nowitzki.
Both players have been labeled as soft, because they are not traditional post men. Neither is very athletic, and neither will finish very strong around the rim.
But Nowitzki's offensive game is more complete than Bosh's. He can kill you inside and out, and will hit three pointers if left open. If you press up on him, he is generally able to drive right past you. There are very few defenders who can effectively guard Nowitzki one on one, and even they struggle.
Bosh, too, has some of these characteristics, but not to the extent that Nowtizki does. Teams do not fear Bosh's jump shot as they fear Dirk's, so they can give him some room. If Bosh is able to drive past his defender, teams can foul him, knowing that while he is a good free throw shooter, he is not a great one (as Nowitzki is).
Both players can pick apart double teams, but Nowitzki has developed an unstoppable shot, something Bosh has yet to do. Nowitzki will post up his man, usually around the free throw line, bump him a few times, then fade back with one knee in the air.
If he''s on, there is no stopping him. You have to double team him, or aggressively deny him the ball. Chris Bosh is not to that point yet.
Defensively, Bosh is the better defender, both man to man and help. But as neither is very good, is doesn't really make a difference. Nowitzki's game doesn't lag too far behind here, and it's not enough to make up for the difference in offensive production.
Bosh does get more steals and blocked shots per game, but the difference between the two is minimal. When playing on a team with names such as Jason Kidd, Josh Howard, and now Shawn Marion, it's all the more impressive.
Bosh does have the edge in rebounding. Nowitzki's numbers were down last year, as he usually will grab nine to 10 boards a game. He will not put his nose into crowds as often as Bosh does, preferring to snag some of the easier rebounds.
Leadership is the final quality I'd use to judge the two. Both men are tremendous leaders that have put their respective teams on their back. Nonetheless, Nowitzki is the better leader and better clutch player.
Nowitzki has lead his teams far into the playoffs, and in 2006, he should have won the title. He has been unfairly saddled with the blame of his team's failures the past few years. Of course, much of it must be placed on his shoulders, the Mavericks's losses have been almost exclusively associated with Nowitzki.
Bosh has done a terrific job leading the Raptors the past few years, but has yet to have taken his team past the first round of the playoffs. He's been dominated by Dwight Howard when they've matched up, and while his team isn't nearly as good as Nowitzki's, it's not terrible, and Toronto should have made the second round at least once.
Both are clutch players, but again, Nowitzki more so. Dallas frequently will give the ball to Dirk with the seconds ticking away, and he often delivers.
Bosh, too, can do this, but often times the offense will run through Jose Calderon when the Raptors need a basket. Bosh has yet to consistently assert himself as the undisputed number one option on his team when the game is on the line.
Though the two are similar players, I'd have to take Nowitzki by a moderate margin. However, Bosh is younger and will undoubtedly improve, meaning he could easily overrtake Nowitzki soon. It'd be interesting to see which player most GM's would take if given that choice. We will soon find out.
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Bosh is better. He is more athletic, faster, a better defender, better inside and a better rebounder. Dirk is just a better shooter.
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Until Bosh can lead a team past the first round and play at an MVP level for an entire season, I say that Nowitzki is better.
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There's no comparison. Dirk is a top 10, maybe even top 5, PF of all time. The blocks are a wash, it's stupid to give Chris Bosh any edge in that department. Dirk is a better help defender anyway. Their career rebounding numbers are almost identical, and if anything, Dirk has a MUCH better rebounding team overall so his numbers are no doubt affected by that. Bosh has yet to show he can be a legitimate number one option, whereas there's no question that Dirk is one of the best first options in the game. Dirk is one of few, maybe even the only, big man who can create his own shot and get you buckets with the clock winding down. Aside from being able to get to the rim, the majority of Chris Bosh's offense is jump shots off spot-ups and pick and rolls. Dirk is a wizard in the post, unlike anyone that's ever been in the league.

It's not even close.
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best nowitzki is better than best bosh, right now, given the age difference, Bosh has to be the most promising prospect.


value wise, I think nowitzki will be the better player for, at most, 2 more years.
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are you kidding me?
dirk carries his team to the playoffs every season, the guys an MVP, how can u even compare him to chris
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At 7 foot no one can stop Dirk's fade away jumper.
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Until Bosh can lead a team past the first round and play at an MVP level for an entire season, I say that Nowitzki is better.
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Bosh will never reach Dirk's status, but atleast we have the next best thing to the Disco man in Bargs.
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Bosh will never reach Dirk's status, but atleast we have the next best thing to the Disco man in Bargs.
We all hope for it!
Anyway, Dirk is surely better than Bosh, but by their age i would prefer Bosh.
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Dirk is better.

But Bosh is getting closer. I'd expect him to be just as good this season... although he'll never shoot the ball like Dirk can.
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1. Duncan
2. Garnett
3. Nowitzki
4. J. O'neal
5. Gasol

Was my top 5 PF list back in 2003.

Now it's

1. Duncan
2. Nowitzki
3. Garnett
4. Gasol
5. Bosh

Honorable Mentions go to Stoudemire and Aldridge.

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this is not even a question....Dirk has been a MVP in this league....hes carried his team all the way to the finals....Bosh hasn't even got us out of the first round.....
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1. Duncan
2. Garnett
3. Nowitzki
4. J. O'neal
5. Gasol

Was my top 5 PF list back in 2003.

Now it's

1. Duncan
2. Nowitzki
3. Garnett
4. Gasol
5. Bosh

Honorable Mentions go to Stoudemire and Aldridge.
Top 5 true power forwards for next season.
1. Duncan 20 10
2. Garnett 15 8
3. Bosh 20 11
4. Nowitzki 23 7
5. Al Jefferson 24 12
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dirk is way more clutch than bosh. Bosh isn't that doesn't hold enough of an advantage on defense to be considered a better player. when dirk shoots a J, you always expect it to fall. chris just hasn't reached that level yet.
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I believe Garnett is done so I wouldn't put him in the top 5, but this season will tell...
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I believe Garnett is done so I wouldn't put him in the top 5, but this season will tell...
Knowing Garnett, he will fight through this injury. His numbers might decline a little but he will still be the second best power forward. Garnett and Duncan are in a tier all their own these days.
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You know Garnett?
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You know Garnett?
do you?...how can you say the guy is done?...when he was a mvp candidate a year ago?...he got hurt and had a little bad luck....he will be back this season...
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There's no comparison. Dirk is a top 10, maybe even top 5, PF of all time. The blocks are a wash, it's stupid to give Chris Bosh any edge in that department. Dirk is a better help defender anyway. Their career rebounding numbers are almost identical, and if anything, Dirk has a MUCH better rebounding team overall so his numbers are no doubt affected by that. Bosh has yet to show he can be a legitimate number one option, whereas there's no question that Dirk is one of the best first options in the game. Dirk is one of few, maybe even the only, big man who can create his own shot and get you buckets with the clock winding down. Aside from being able to get to the rim, the majority of Chris Bosh's offense is jump shots off spot-ups and pick and rolls. Dirk is a wizard in the post, unlike anyone that's ever been in the league.

It's not even close.
Nicely put, other than overstating his abilities in the post a little bit. Well a lot actually, but this is about the two players in question and not Dirk versus every other player that's ever played, so it's no biggie.
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do you?...how can you say the guy is done?...when he was a mvp candidate a year ago?...he got hurt and had a little bad luck....he will be back this season...
There was no way Garnett would have won the MVP trophy with those numbers... Unless his defensive stats were through the roof.
I would have to say at this point in garnett's career he is highly overated.
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