Bosh: Does it really matter?
Old 03-14-2010, 08:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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This is Chris Bosh’s seventh, and possibly last season with the Toronto Raptors — and to date not a single playoff round has been won in that time.

That will not change this year, assuming the Raptors qualify for the playoffs, which at this stage is no sure thing.

Which begs the question: Why all the angst over whether Bosh stays with the Raptors or leaves? As great a player as he is, as good a person as he has seemed to be, as solid a basketball citizen as he has been in Toronto, it hasn’t translated to any real success of any kind for the Raptors.

They have had one great regular season in seven through Bosh’s growing from young man to adult. One great regular season that still wound up with a first-round elimination. This has been Bosh’s best NBA season, yet the Raptors flounder from game to game, month to month lacking an identity, bouncing from disinterest to interest, from no passion to passionate. They are more a collection of players than they are any kind of team.

This is not necessarily Bosh’s doing. It is far easier to point fingers at the general manager, the coach, and the rest of his teammates. But on the court, he’s still the focal point. The player you build around. And through seven seasons, the Raptors have yet to build anything meaningful around Bosh. They don’t contend with him, and soon they may have to adapt to not contending without him.
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Old 03-14-2010, 08:59 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 03-14-2010, 09:11 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Im tired of these articles
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Old 03-14-2010, 09:17 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I'm tired of them too, but this one is right on the money...completely true. At this pace if we make the playoffs we face the Cavs. Unless we get a miracle like James and Jameson get injured..we get swept in 4 games and probably blown out each game.

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Old 03-14-2010, 09:21 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Trade him. I really don't see Bosh being the leader of a championship caliber team. We could potentially struggle next season depending on who we get in return along with other moves that will most likely happen in the off season but it's for the better imo.
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Old 03-14-2010, 09:28 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Floundering month to month? This coming from a leaf writer?

Floundering month to month, until two weeks ago nobody would have said that. Actually this tool doesn't say much about the Raptors unless they're struggling like most puckhead writers. He's kinda got a point, but coming from him it means little to nothing.
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Old 03-14-2010, 09:33 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Floundering month to month? This coming from a leaf writer?

Floundering month to month, until two weeks ago nobody would have said that. Actually this tool doesn't say much about the Raptors unless they're struggling like most puckhead writers. He's kinda got a point, but coming from him it means little to nothing.
Agreed

Hes a pro hockey guy who probably has little to no interest in Basketball, then again as a country Canada has a lot of favoritism to hockey than basketball although both sports were invented here in Canada.

Anyways articles like these are just "whatever", yeah lets get rid of Bosh, perhaps we can get some of those hockey players to cover his position ..lol @ Steve Simmons giving a damn about basketball
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Old 03-14-2010, 09:36 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Trade him. I really don't see Bosh being the leader of a championship caliber team. We could potentially struggle next season depending on who we get in return along with other moves that will most likely happen in the off season but it's for the better imo.
How about we get a "championship calibre team" first and THEN see if Bosh can lead them. : |
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Bosh just needs an allstar wing player and we would roll.....
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Old 03-14-2010, 09:44 PM   #10 (permalink)
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How about we get a "championship calibre team" first and THEN see if Bosh can lead them. : |
lol well said

So far the only players showing heart on the floor consistently to win a game are Bosh, Amir, DeRozan and maybe Weems

Jack, Calderon, Bargs, Hedo are all streaky players with quesitonable consistency
Belinellie, evans are mostly bench warming
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Old 03-14-2010, 09:58 PM   #11 (permalink)
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How about we get a "championship calibre team" first and THEN see if Bosh can lead them. : |
Would a championship caliber team be willing to be lead by Bosh? We're building around him with the assumption that it's yes. Perhaps that's our downfall...
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Old 03-14-2010, 10:07 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I wanna build a team like OKC or Portland, enough hedos and joses. We draft turner from ohio state(via trade) or trade Bosh for an obvious up and coming sg(harden, iggy, granger). We cant win a championship without a good sg, please dont tell me demar is that guy.. Or we trade for a young dominant and up and coming big like Hibbert,Lopez, Blatche, Noah, Bynum. Bottom line is we go young, and get rid of old longterm players.
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Old 03-14-2010, 10:18 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I would counter with why should Detroit care if they break up Billups/Rip/Prince etc. Sure they got to the ECF all those years but they could never get it done and get that second ring. All of a sudden, for Detroit, perpetual trips to the ECF isnt looking so bad compared to what they have now.

There is something to be said for making it to the playoffs every year, even without success. Too often writers try to pin all of a team's success and failure on one player, when last I checked basketball is a team game. So to answer his question...yes it matters if Bosh leaves Toronto, because he isnt easily replaceable.

So from my perspective as an outsider...the problem was never the player being built around, but that no actual building was done.
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Old 03-15-2010, 04:09 AM   #14 (permalink)
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It's always a stupid idea to let go arguably the best PF in the league. The real problem is that all championship caliber teams had a dominant SG/SF (i.e. Kobe, Pierce, LeBron, Wade) beside their big man. We need Bosh but we need a very good SG/SF. Hedo was supposed to fill in that role but result is not as expected.
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I actually want him to leave, he deserves better

plus this team needs a change of leadership, Bosh is no franchise, a gasol he easily is if not better

the sooner Bosh realizes this the better of he is, and hte raptors, we need to bring more quality to our team, signing chris Bosh would hurt this team in the long run, it would be a bunch of scrubs and bosh,

we should use the money on defensive stoppers to hide jose and turkoglu on defense, I actually believe Bargs would look much better with defensive guys,

obvioulsy I would prefer Bosh over Bargs but guess what not happening,

the idea is adding a guy like Rudy Gay and Haywood
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I'm tired of them too, but this one is right on the money...completely true. At this pace if we make the playoffs we face the Cavs. Unless we get a miracle like James and Jameson get injured..we get swept in 4 games and probably blown out each game.
Wrong. At this pace we miss the playoffs entirely.
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I would counter with why should Detroit care if they break up Billups/Rip/Prince etc. Sure they got to the ECF all those years but they could never get it done and get that second ring. All of a sudden, for Detroit, perpetual trips to the ECF isnt looking so bad compared to what they have now.

There is something to be said for making it to the playoffs every year, even without success. Too often writers try to pin all of a team's success and failure on one player, when last I checked basketball is a team game. So to answer his question...yes it matters if Bosh leaves Toronto, because he isnt easily replaceable.

So from my perspective as an outsider...the problem was never the player being built around, but that no actual building was done.
i will disagree somewhat. I think that Colangelo did an admirable job 'building' this team. There is sooo much more talent on this squad than they care to show on the court. The pieces are here to be competing with the best of them.

THAT'S what makes this arguably the worst and most frustrated i've EVER felt as a raptor fan.

It's like we have all the ingredients to make a nice lasagna, but for some reason there's no chef to cook it.
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I agree that there are some good pieces, but what frustrates me is that there are too many pieces that don't compliment each other. Hedo, Andrea, Beli and Jose just don't add up to much at the end of the day. They are all scoring threats that aren't that much of a real threat in terms of impacting games, and the impact they have on the opposing teams in terms of bad defense or putrid rebounding ends up being a bigger part of the equation.

Now Hedo might get his legs under him by next season. I don't know. If not, then that's a terrible situation. Belinelli might end up becoming a really nice, aggressive role player by next season, but there has to be a more complete team here from game to game if he's going to get a chance to bring some of his craziness and develop further. Bargnani might be able to summon up enough energy to have a big impact consistently, but frankly I think his head is just not right for the NBA. I officially give up on him to the point where I wish we had stuck with Charlie V and drafted Tyrus Thomas. That's how bad it is. And Jose still has a chance here, but not without more defense built into the roster. At this moment I could just as well go with Banks and see if Hedo can be more successful with a point forward role filled out more explicitly.
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I agree that there are some good pieces, but what frustrates me is that there are too many pieces that don't compliment each other. Hedo, Andrea, Beli and Jose just don't add up to much at the end of the day. They are all scoring threats that aren't that much of a real threat in terms of impacting games, and the impact they have on the opposing teams in terms of bad defense or putrid rebounding ends up being a bigger part of the equation.

Now Hedo might get his legs under him by next season. I don't know. If not, then that's a terrible situation. Belinelli might end up becoming a really nice, aggressive role player by next season, but there has to be a more complete team here from game to game if he's going to get a chance to bring some of his craziness and develop further. Bargnani might be able to summon up enough energy to have a big impact consistently, but frankly I think his head is just not right for the NBA. I officially give up on him to the point where I wish we had stuck with Charlie V and drafted Tyrus Thomas. That's how bad it is. And Jose still has a chance here, but not without more defense built into the roster. At this moment I could just as well go with Banks and see if Hedo can be more successful with a point forward role filled out more explicitly.
Bingo.

I couldn't agree more.

If I have to continue watching Bargs and Hedo give up offensive REBS I might break something.
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