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Old 04-14-2009, 02:53 PM   #61 (permalink)
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People seem to be trying to shoehorn Bargnani into being a classic centre.
The guy is a 4. He's no more a 5 then J.O., less actually.
He and Bosh are beginning to create some chemistry and with the proper systems in place could flourish, so I'm backing off my initial stance that they can't succeed together. The two of them need to focus more on their defense and rebounding, as well as working on their low post games which would allow them to become more interchangeable on offense. Then they wouldn't take up the same space out there as much and at least one of them would be available to get on the glass.
The onus is on both of them to make it work if they're still together next season.
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Old 04-14-2009, 03:09 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Bosh will never have a lowpost game, he isnt strong enough to bang with opposing PF's. He isnt going to get any better on offense than he already is, mabey, just maybe more efficient but that is it. Bosh is most effective 18 feet out where he can wait and decide if he wants to shoot off the pick and roll, dribble 3 or 4 times and shoot off the pick and roll or drive the ball past his defender should he come out.

Bargs is best at being outside and either driving past his defender into the lane, shooting over the smaller defender there to match quickness and hinder the drive, or backing down the smaller man.

Neither is a tradition back to the basket player.

JO however for the most part is.

JO and Bosh didnt work at all.
JO and Bargs worked a little bit better because Bargs plays outside of where Bosh plays, which in turn is outside of where JO plays.

Bosh and Bargs will not work in the "traditional' sense of a PF and Center.
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Bosh and Bargs will not work in the "traditional' sense of a PF and Center.
That's precisely what I meant by "interchangeable".
They can both get their share of touches facing the basket but they're going to have to take turns down low or the Raps will continue to struggle to get second chance points.
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I think thats the thought for Marion comes into play.

MArion is a wing guy that is best with his back to the basket and getting inside for offensive boards.

Bosh, Bargs, Marion(or a marion type of player) would be pretty solid, but still a 20ppg defensive sg away from really competing.
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Old 04-15-2009, 11:42 PM   #65 (permalink)
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People seem to be trying to shoehorn Bargnani into being a classic centre.
The guy is a 4. He's no more a 5 then J.O., less actually.
He and Bosh are beginning to create some chemistry and with the proper systems in place could flourish, so I'm backing off my initial stance that they can't succeed together. The two of them need to focus more on their defense and rebounding, as well as working on their low post games which would allow them to become more interchangeable on offense. Then they wouldn't take up the same space out there as much and at least one of them would be available to get on the glass.
The onus is on both of them to make it work if they're still together next season.
he's a center in every way except the post game which is developing. He has the height, the size, defends center very well. While he can play PF just as well, there's no problem in considering him a center. If we keep marion, between Bosh and him they will grab a ton of rebounds, so we will not need andreea to excel in that role, We do need him to provide lane intimidation though ...
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Old 04-15-2009, 11:46 PM   #66 (permalink)
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theres no chance it will change in the future he still doesnt play like a C, so again, that arguement doesnt hold much weight, why does it take longer for a C who camps outside like a guard longer to develop offensively?? Ppl point to dirk, but he isnt a C. It takes C's who bang inside longer to get used to the strength and height of other C's perhaps, but Bargs isnt exactly banging inside all that often. I do like the word obtuse tho
what are you talking about, andreea has played at C every game in 2009. His problem is not offense in case you haven't noticed. He's already top 3 among centers in scoring and true shooting percentage. And his defense against centers is average to good already. His biggest weakness is providing help defense, which is very hard to master since it takes experience to know when to stay with your man and when to help the penetration.
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what are you talking about, andreea has played at C every game in 2009. His problem is not offense in case you haven't noticed. He's already top 3 among centers in scoring and true shooting percentage. And his defense against centers is average to good already. His biggest weakness is providing help defense, which is very hard to master since it takes experience to know when to stay with your man and when to help the penetration.
Yup. People point to Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett's blocked shots, but it's their awareness of defensive situations and ability to discern when and when not to help that makes them such great defensive players. When the biggest player on the floor is rotating on defense, it not only intimidates the offensive players that want to get into the lane, but also lets the perimeter defenders play a little looser when they know that Timmy D or KG is going to have their back.

What help defense comes down to is watching film and reading the scouting report in order to get a better feel of who you're guarding and how much you can sag off to get in a position to help before it's becoming a liability. When I played rep ball a couple years ago we'd sag off and help on every drive, but when the majority of NBA players can hit open looks if given even the slightest bit of daylight, it becomes sort of an inexact science.

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