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Old 04-13-2009, 11:48 AM   #21 (permalink)
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stupid argument.

Bosh has been playing agressively, period.

You play agressive, you get calls.

could he drive more? Maybe.

but he's still active...most active on that team.
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Old 04-13-2009, 11:58 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Are trying to tell me you don't get fouled lots facing up and shoting jumpshots?

That's preposterous I say!
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Old 04-13-2009, 12:02 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Excellent post AC. I'm surprised he got to the line more than Carter that year though... the one year he attacked the basket like a beast.

Good for Bosh.
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Old 04-13-2009, 01:34 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Bosh plays a different sort of post game. He doesn't get to the rack by putting the ball down and heading straight at a guy to draw the foul. Instead, he plays a much smarter game involving pump fakes, spins, jabs, etc. I have no problem with him taking jump shots, either, because he has a great game <18 feet and can really burn a team when his jumper is on. I have problems with his ball handling, and he occasionally tries to get going with the jumpshot even when he's having difficulty (whereas an easier bucket at the line or at the basket would be more beneficial, I still cannot believe the extent to which people criticize his offensive game. Truly one of the best offensive bigs in the game right now; I just don't know how he fits on the Raptors roster with the pieces they have now compared to the pieces they have to acquire.
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stupid argument.

Bosh has been playing agressively, period.

You play agressive, you get calls.

could he drive more? Maybe.

but he's still active...most active on that team.
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stupid argument....

Obviously if he has gotten to the line, he's getting to the basket...

snooch, the ones he gets on offensive rebounds, and cutting through the lane and so on.... he gets those because he GETS TO THE BASKET, with or without the ball.... and those are probably not even 10% of the fouls. and usualy when you take free throws, they are from you getting fouled on a shot, and most of the time, that happens when you GET TO THE BASKET. I really dont see how this stat can be somehow deceiving...
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Old 04-13-2009, 04:15 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I'd be interested to see the percentage of drives where Bosh actually finishes, as opposed to how often he's fouled and goes to the line for two. Or when he doesn't get the call and looks foolish in the process.

Many of his drives look gangly and out of control and he's bailed out by the whistle where he had no real chance at getting off a good shot.

Quite often he's got one or two guys slapping him, hacking him or hanging off his arms too.
To his credit he has earned those bailout calls and he's a hell of a free-throw shooter.
If he can bulk up a bit, gain some strength, he could finish more of those drives with a 3 point opportunity.
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Old 04-13-2009, 04:21 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Not to nitpick, but he has improved with finishing after contact. I can remember when a very small percentage were finished for the +1 call.
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Old 04-13-2009, 04:25 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Not to nitpick, but he has improved with finishing after contact. I can remember when a very small percentage were finished for the +1 call.
I think it is something like 43% of and 1's were converted this season by Bosh. Thats is very, very good.
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Old 04-13-2009, 04:33 PM   #29 (permalink)
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43% of the free-throws after making the shot?

I have no idea how they measure the number of drives where he could've, maybe, made the shot and gone to the line if he were a bit stronger.

While I agree that he's improved, I just think he could be even better.
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43% of the free-throws after making the shot?

I have no idea how they measure the number of drives where he could've, maybe, made the shot and gone to the line if he were a bit stronger.

While I agree that he's improved, I just think he could be even better.
I thought it meant he went to the line and converted the single FT 43 percent. I was going to guess he finished half of the times he got fouled.

I agree that he needs to get stronger still, but not heavy strong. He needs good wiry strength in those legs beyond what is there already, but nothing that is going to slow him down.
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Old 04-13-2009, 04:44 PM   #31 (permalink)
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He must have shot a better free-throw % after making the initial basket than 43%.
It must mean the % of trips to the line that were an "and-1" situation.
In that case 43% is pretty good.
Imagine how much higher that will climb if Bosh keeps working hard and working out.
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Old 04-13-2009, 05:42 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I mean converted initial shot when fouled 43%.

And the only way Bosh can really improve is in Health and defense. If he can do that then great.
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Old 04-13-2009, 06:05 PM   #33 (permalink)
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i think the actual complaint about him not driving enough is more because his effectiveness on the offense is way higher when he's driving and shooting free throws
while someone like kobe is effective in more areas of the offense
when Bosh doesn't drive and stands there taking jumpers a lot of the times he is pretty ineffective in terms of the overall game, but for kobe to take jumpers it is still within his effective game to do so
taking jumpers is not bosh's game even if at his height he is a good jumper shooting
someone like Bargnani can be the spot up shooter
and looking at the fact that our team is made mainly of high level shooters, why should Bosh be taking jumpers when he has the ability to drive to the net, if we want jumpers the rest of the team is equal if not better than Bosh and should be the ones taking them
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Old 04-13-2009, 06:26 PM   #34 (permalink)
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the people complaining are just complainers. they're the same people who don't understand that power forwards aren't clutch and shouldn't be put into constant situation where they're relied on to be clutch.

the beauty of bosh's game is that he's just as effective taking it inside as he is with his jumpshot. that's why teams have to constantly revolve their defensive movements around him. yes, there's times where he should take it inside, just as there's times where he should use his jumpshot opposed to trying to get contact. for every mis-judgement he makes, the kobes, lebrons and wades are making them as well.

bosh is still young, and i don't see any young power forwards showing the ability to react with the awareness we're all hoping for since tim duncan entered the league ten years ago. once, or if we ever get that penetrating guard, we'll hopefully see some change in that regard. we've always had too many players standing around, and that isn't necessarily the best for passing out since it'll most likely turn into a loss of possession...
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Old 04-13-2009, 06:32 PM   #35 (permalink)
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it would be nice if he continued to get bigger though.
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Old 04-13-2009, 07:02 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Yea I would like that but I would rather have Bargs get bigger
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Old 04-13-2009, 07:18 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Bosh doesn't have the strength to drive it on every possession. It's hard for him to finish at the rim when drawing contact.
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Agreed. Dude has some serious trouble finishing at the rim with even the slightest amount of contact.

I don't think it's solely a strength issue, because there are flimsier guys who manage to be effective finishing at the rim. I almost think it's more of a mental thing - when you're driving through the lane, your mind needs to be focused on finishing and not just getting fouled. Sometimes I think Bosh is content with just being fouled. In fact I'd even go so far as to say that sometimes he depends on being fouled when he's going to the rim.
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Old 04-13-2009, 11:49 PM   #39 (permalink)
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the people complaining are just complainers. they're the same people who don't understand that power forwards aren't clutch and shouldn't be put into constant situation where they're relied on to be clutch.

the beauty of bosh's game is that he's just as effective taking it inside as he is with his jumpshot. that's why teams have to constantly revolve their defensive movements around him. yes, there's times where he should take it inside, just as there's times where he should use his jumpshot opposed to trying to get contact. for every mis-judgement he makes, the kobes, lebrons and wades are making them as well.

bosh is still young, and i don't see any young power forwards showing the ability to react with the awareness we're all hoping for since tim duncan entered the league ten years ago. once, or if we ever get that penetrating guard, we'll hopefully see some change in that regard. we've always had too many players standing around, and that isn't necessarily the best for passing out since it'll most likely turn into a loss of possession...
GREAT friggin' post.

Has anyone else noticed that Bosh has been avging about 23 + 11 over the past 20 games or so? Or how much better he's looked now since he's actually had some legit HELP in the frontcourt and a healthy PG?

Anyone who still wants him traded or thinks that Bargs will be a better player is just insane.... or just incredibly unappreciative.
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Old 04-14-2009, 08:26 AM   #40 (permalink)
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Why is it so inconceivable to think that Bargs will be a better player than Bosh?
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