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![]() Bryan Colangelo should have moved Bargnani and built more wisely around his five-time all-star.
Putting a strong all-around defensive centre (like Brendan Haywood, Joakim Noah or Joel Przybilla) beside Bosh would have gone a long way towards fixing the squad’s defensive shortcomings. Now a similar player will have to be parachuted in to do the same for Bargnani who is expected to be shifted to the power forward slot should Bosh head to a new address. Everyone knew that Bargs wasn't a Center + I have always wanted a Defensive centre to come in and shelder the Load on the defensive end. eg Haywood or Marc Gasol. as for a center to come in I would look at either Drew Gooden, David Lee or as mentioned above Brendan Haywood + yes move Andrea back to the 4 were he is a custom to playing. |
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![]() I'm going to play a little devil's advocate, but first I want to point out an important part of that article that got clipped out:
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2 - Bargnani's value was probably shit at the 2009 trade deadline. Bargs didn't start playing well until January of 2009. I can't recall one decent rumour surrounding a Bargs trade. I think Dallas tried to dump an INJURED Josh Howard. Anything else? It's a tough situation because you don't want to dump Bargs for nothing, yet at the same time he didn't serve as the proper complement to Bosh in the front-court. It's unfortunate. They looked good together at some points this season, like when they were creating match-up nightmares for LA and Cleveland. |
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![]() The problem with Bargs is that he is more of a C than a PF so I feel he must be utilized as such.
I believe that Bargs can be an effective C in the league while never a prototypical one. I think he can raise his scoring to Bosh levels, become a better blocker and increase his rebounds to 8 RPG.I think the last 2 games of the year showed some flashes of what an Amir and Bargs combo could be. Again while the Raptors won't be looking for a championship they will be far from dismal. What would a team with Nash,Hill,Weems,Bargs & Amir look like? A good backcourt can make the difference a point guard that can penetrate, feed and pass. I guess we will find out next year. |
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![]() I have to agree with the op's post. A front court of Bosh and Bargs will never be an adequate defensive one. Neither player seems too interested in stepping in defensively and risking fouls that might take them out of the game. They are all about offence. If they co-exist one of them has to come off the bench or evey other player in the starting lineup needs to be among the league's best defensive players.
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2 - BC has consistently said that Bargnani's value around the league is high. And if his value in fact meant that little would come back in return, then how exactly would that be a problem? If the little that came back would not require ego-stroking, major minutes. and being spared from accountability, then it would seem that the there would be a net gain. It wasn't that tough a situation, except for the fans, who had to sit through failure at the hands of the golden boy. Wolstat also says this - Quote:
I have to say that I held out hope for Bargnani for the longest time. But if I had a reputation as a gm on the line, with all the proper instincts in play, then I'm not sure it's such a tough situation. This team has been held hostage while it waits for Andrea to simply play with a little energy. When he does he's easily seen as a keeper. But as Grannyfro pointed out, even as a good man defender, he fails to make the grade, because he barely ever breaks into a sweat. Sam Mitchell saw the problem, and he went away - but the problem did not. And now they are looking to build a team around a guy whose lack of effort is much more pronounced than any sustained effort. That hardly makes for good chemistry. And on top of everything else, it handcuffs a coach that already shows some inability to take strong actions for the good of the whole. |
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![]() If the Raptors are not going to be a top ten team in salary I don't think they can add the Pieces to Bosh to be more than a just make the Playoffs team and hope for a major Cinderella run. If your looking for a place to spread the blame I would start with the budget as the Elite teams are spending much more and as far as Bosh thinking he has to go elsewhere to be on an elite team he must see that fact as well.
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But who knows - things might turn unexpectedly yet. I can remember when Kobe was cleaning out his locker, and demanding a trade due to the Lakers not being willing to do what was necessary. They got a nice little bit of help from Jerry West. But there are a lot of teams that could be capable of doing something similar right now. I don't expect anything, but who knows? |
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![]() I'm not sure if I'm being naive but I fail to see the evidence that makes Bosh's departure so appear so inevitable. I mean really what is there? Anonymous sources saying that Bosh won't even speak with the team about staying? Bosh himself has said Toronto is still in consideration. He could be lying, but I'd have to consider words from the horse's mouth a little more reliable than unnamed sources who's affiliation to any of the involved parties is dubious.
But to get back on topic, if Bosh stays and we have the chance to get Ellis for Bargs I can't imagine how BC can rationalize not doing it. That trade would seriously be highway robbery. |
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[/quote] It wasn't that tough a situation, except for the fans, who had to sit through failure at the hands of the golden boy. [quote] ![]() If you give away an asset for next to nothing, and then said asset produces for another team, that sucks. In my opinion, that scenario is a tough situation. According to what you've been implying, Bargnani should have been traded prior to the 2009 trade deadline. I seriously doubt a Bargnani trade would have netted what it could this year. And I seriously doubt it would have netted a healthy impact player that made the Raps a contendor quick enough to convince Bosh to stay. At least now a potential trading partner has seen a significant stretch of games with Bargnani producing above 17+ ppg. In my opinion, it's far more understandable for people to be upset about him [Bargnani] not being traded this year. His value was higher this season and it might have been worth shopping him. Quote:
It's interesting that you quote Grannyfro, because just this week Granny admitted that he didn't want to trade Andrea right away. Granny recognizes the dilemma posed by trading a guy when it appears as though you won't get FULL value. Yes, Andrea's value might be "high" now, according to BC, but that might be in terms of players in the $10 mill range (like a Josh Howard type). That doesn't mean trading him right now will get FULL value. The thing is, if the team does rebuild, they might be better off inflating his stats for 2 years and then trading him when he's a 20/7 player. So don't hold your breath for a Bargnani trade. Again, given the context of a possible rebuild, moving him only seems obvious if you hate the guy. Now, having said that, if BC was able to trade Bargs for a solid wing player next week (a reasonably healthy one) and it was enough to convince Bosh to stay, then I'd hope he would make that move. But Bosh appears to have made up his mind, so that's probably out of the equation by now. Last edited by Bill Haverchuck; 06-19-2010 at 02:54 PM. |
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![]() I don't think BC has ever said that Bargs is untouchable ... Bargs is one of the few assets we have that many teams will try to get him with for nothing.
BC will certainly consider Bargs being traded if the price was right. The situation could be very different if Bosh made it clear he wanted to stay. |
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![]() The feebleness that I was referring to had more to do with all the crap players that they filled the team out with once they went up against the cap. I was pretty happy about JO. But looking at it afterwards, it seemed pretty clear to me that BC was looking at what he could do with the capspace or trading the big expiring deal. I don't think he was looking at filling out his blueprint.
And that is what I question more than Bargnani or his value. The blueprint. What does he see as the finished product? Bargnani stands to suffer as much from a lack of proper team building as Bosh. BC has always stuck to his guns and proclaimed Bargnani as a player that teams have a great deal of interest in. Even after his horrible second season. I don't know if I buy it, but it does all go towards me seeing him trying to squeeze a square peg into a round hole for the last few years. |
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![]() Actually I would be happy with any kind of numbers as long as the energy is there. Without bringing energy to the games the numbers don't mean much. Not unless he can be a guy like Odom that comes off the bench and has it some nights and other nights sits a little more. A Bargnani without energy is a team killer. And maybe, like Odom, he can't just summon up energy out of nowhere, but needs to try to work on the energy that any particular game produces for him. That can work for a bench player on a deep team. But not for a starter on a team that isn't so deep.
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