Bosh for Amare, would ya?

Dr. J. Naismith · 01-18-2008, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ACIEEARL40

Jose is so good that one of his errant passes against Sacremento landed in the lap of a wheelchair bound youngster courtside who caught the ball and immediately sprung up and started walking.

ROTFLMAO .... then did a little James Brown.

**Belsius** · 01-18-2008, 09:48 PM

Lol, Jesus Calderon

01-18-2008, 10:49 PM

Never.
amare isnt franchise material like bosh.
Bosh is pretty good, just wait till we get the finishing pieces around him.

Dr. J. Naismith · 01-18-2008, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuzzy

amare isnt franchise material like bosh.

The jury's still out on that one Kuz, but if he continues to play like he has over these last 2 weeks, then I'll be the first to call him our "franchise".

01-18-2008, 11:24 PM

ahaha
i dont know man, just not a *all-around* type of player like Bosh.
-Bosh can take it up the floor when he has to
-Bosh has a nifty and intelligent post game
-Bosh can make the perimeter J or take it in and slam it in the net
-Bosh has become our vocal leader
-Bosh hits the glass, and puts winning first

I say trade Bosh if you can get KG or Dirk.
Otherwise dont see anything nice coming out of it.
unless ofcourse unstoppable all-stars "James" "Kobe" "Nash"

**Ball Don't Lie** · 01-19-2008, 12:48 AM

Some of you posters are laughable with your 'what have you done for me lately' attitude. If this thread was made 2-3 weeks ago when Bosh was struggling you'd be saying theres no way in hell the Suns would even think about it. Now he has a good 2 week stretch and hes our franchise player again and can do no wrong and is 10x better than Amare? Get real. Amare plays tough and finishes inside and goes to the line EVERY game of the season that he plays, and in the playoffs, that's exactly what you need from your big guy in a series because of the coaching adjustments that will be made vs them, you need to get those easy points. That and Amare has a better jumper than Bosh as it is. Amare in the playoffs>>>>>Bosh in the playoffs, and that's what matters right? I'll take Amare's pure power game mixed in with a couple wide open jumpers from the elbow over Bosh's finesse face up game that's easily exposed in the playoffs vs a good defence.

01-19-2008, 12:52 AM

Nope.
You could have asked me this when Bosh was averaging 16-7
still go with bosh.
he was in one of the potential "greatest drafts"
and a high pick in it...
hes prving himself franchise worthy.

Torontosaurus · 01-19-2008, 01:04 AM

Bosh keeps improving and I'm happy to hear all the recent praise for him. The guy hasn't even reached his full potential yet.

Hypothetically speaking, the only person I'd trade him for straight up would be Lebron. And then our team would be a one-man team.

Acie · 01-19-2008, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by thriller92

Some of you posters are laughable with your 'what have you done for me lately' attitude. If this thread was made 2-3 weeks ago when Bosh was struggling you'd be saying theres no way in hell the Suns would even think about it. Now he has a good 2 week stretch and hes our franchise player again and can do no wrong and is 10x better than Amare? Get real. Amare plays tough and finishes inside and goes to the line EVERY game of the season that he plays, and in the playoffs, that's exactly what you need from your big guy in a series because of the coaching adjustments that will be made vs them, you need to get those easy points. That and Amare has a better jumper than Bosh as it is. Amare in the playoffs>>>>>Bosh in the playoffs, and that's what matters right? I'll take Amare's pure power game mixed in with a couple wide open jumpers from the elbow over Bosh's finesse face up game that's easily exposed in the playoffs vs a good defence.

First of all no one said Bosh is 10x better. The general consensus is that while Amare's good, his knees are a concern. Also, Bosh gets to the line just as much if not a few times more a game then Amare and his outside shot is just as good despite stuggling with it most of this season.

Secondly, I'll ask again - what is Phoenix's record with Amare in the line-up and Nash out vs. Amare out and Nash in?

**Benzo** · 01-19-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by •LX•

But don't forget we have a pg that is better than Nash right here! That is what the standard line about Jose is at about now isn't it?

Leave it to LX to turn everything into a Jose Calderon jab.

, mix in some hyperbole, and be pompous.

*Sorry LX, just hadnt done that in a while.

*

Anyway, if it wasn't for the knees, I do this deal in a second...but Amare's health worries me more than Bosh's, Plantir F.

moremilk · 01-19-2008, 11:58 AM

Bosh was great over the past 2 weeks, but look who he killed: horford, moore, dalembert, curry/randolph. Bosh's strengths are easily countered by an good defense, but he can destroy weak defenders. This is the perfect recipe for .500 ball and early playoff exists - and the main reason why we need andreea to develop.

Unfortunately for him, amare is not even half the man Bosh is. On talent alon, amare is better, but once you add all the "extras", Bosh runs away with the prize ...

moremilk · 01-19-2008, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ACIEEARL40

Also, Bosh gets to the line just as much if not a few times more a game then Amare and his outside shot is just as good despite stuggling with it most of this season.

no it's not, not even close. Bosh's jumper actually regressed the past 2 years, I wish I had access to a stat for mid-range jumpers percentage - but I'm sure it will show that he's shooting somewhere around 30-32%.

Acie · 01-19-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by moremilk

no it's not, not even close. Bosh's jumper actually regressed the past 2 years, I wish I had access to a stat for mid-range jumpers percentage - but I'm sure it will show that he's shooting somewhere around 30-32%.

But there's an explanation for that - he suffered from plantar fasciitis and a myriad of other leg problems last year and again at the beginning of this season. Do yourself a favour and go and check Duncan's shooting percentages where when he had the same problem.

moremilk · 01-19-2008, 06:36 PM

duncan is not shooting nearly as many jumpers as chris - but I understand your point. I don't know if that's the reason why - but the reality is that Amare is shooting better from mid-range than Chris. And he has a better post game too. But Amare never plays defense, and frankly hasn't shown the steady progress that Chris had over his career.

Krazy Ivan · 01-20-2008, 04:07 PM

The only reason why I would consider Bosh for Amare trade is Bargnani... he would be better off playing with tough inside guy and excellent rebounder like Amare... let's face it Smitch is trying to turn Bargnani into Dwight Howard but he is more like Dirk... with Amare on the floor, Bargnani would have different role and more open floor...

This said... I think that Bosh is a better player with more productive years ahead of him then Amare...

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01-18-2008, 09:48 PM	#22 (permalink)
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01-18-2008, 10:49 PM	#23 (permalink)
Kuzzy is pounding the rock! (Edit) Guest Posts: n/a Representing:	Never. amare isnt franchise material like bosh. Bosh is pretty good, just wait till we get the finishing pieces around him.

01-18-2008, 11:24 PM	#25 (permalink)
Kuzzy is pounding the rock! (Edit) Guest Posts: n/a Representing:	ahaha i dont know man, just not a all-around type of player like Bosh. -Bosh can take it up the floor when he has to -Bosh has a nifty and intelligent post game -Bosh can make the perimeter J or take it in and slam it in the net -Bosh has become our vocal leader -Bosh hits the glass, and puts winning first I say trade Bosh if you can get KG or Dirk. Otherwise dont see anything nice coming out of it. unless ofcourse unstoppable all-stars "James" "Kobe" "Nash"

01-19-2008, 12:48 AM	#26 (permalink)
Ball Don't Lie ... Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 12,161 Representing:	Some of you posters are laughable with your 'what have you done for me lately' attitude. If this thread was made 2-3 weeks ago when Bosh was struggling you'd be saying theres no way in hell the Suns would even think about it. Now he has a good 2 week stretch and hes our franchise player again and can do no wrong and is 10x better than Amare? Get real. Amare plays tough and finishes inside and goes to the line EVERY game of the season that he plays, and in the playoffs, that's exactly what you need from your big guy in a series because of the coaching adjustments that will be made vs them, you need to get those easy points. That and Amare has a better jumper than Bosh as it is. Amare in the playoffs>>>>>Bosh in the playoffs, and that's what matters right? I'll take Amare's pure power game mixed in with a couple wide open jumpers from the elbow over Bosh's finesse face up game that's easily exposed in the playoffs vs a good defence.

01-19-2008, 12:52 AM	#27 (permalink)
Kuzzy is pounding the rock! (Edit) Guest Posts: n/a Representing:	Nope. You could have asked me this when Bosh was averaging 16-7 still go with bosh. he was in one of the potential "greatest drafts" and a high pick in it... hes prving himself franchise worthy.

01-19-2008, 01:04 AM	#28 (permalink)
Torontosaurus waiting for the Masai-a on ihateus Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Victoria, home of the Nash-ites Posts: 3,859 Representing:	Bosh keeps improving and I'm happy to hear all the recent praise for him. The guy hasn't even reached his full potential yet. Hypothetically speaking, the only person I'd trade him for straight up would be Lebron. And then our team would be a one-man team.

01-19-2008, 11:58 AM	#31 (permalink)
moremilk whatever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: toronto Posts: 10,417 Representing:	Bosh was great over the past 2 weeks, but look who he killed: horford, moore, dalembert, curry/randolph. Bosh's strengths are easily countered by an good defense, but he can destroy weak defenders. This is the perfect recipe for .500 ball and early playoff exists - and the main reason why we need andreea to develop. Unfortunately for him, amare is not even half the man Bosh is. On talent alon, amare is better, but once you add all the "extras", Bosh runs away with the prize ...

01-19-2008, 06:36 PM	#34 (permalink)
moremilk whatever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: toronto Posts: 10,417 Representing:	duncan is not shooting nearly as many jumpers as chris - but I understand your point. I don't know if that's the reason why - but the reality is that Amare is shooting better from mid-range than Chris. And he has a better post game too. But Amare never plays defense, and frankly hasn't shown the steady progress that Chris had over his career.

01-20-2008, 04:07 PM	#35 (permalink)
Krazy Ivan is pounding the rock! Byte Mii, I have Wii Fit! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,953 Representing:	The only reason why I would consider Bosh for Amare trade is Bargnani... he would be better off playing with tough inside guy and excellent rebounder like Amare... let's face it Smitch is trying to turn Bargnani into Dwight Howard but he is more like Dirk... with Amare on the floor, Bargnani would have different role and more open floor... This said... I think that Bosh is a better player with more productive years ahead of him then Amare...