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Old 12-17-2008, 09:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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First off, I didn't see the game tonight, I heard the first 6 and the last 6 on the radio on the way to and from my men's league game.

But I see alot of Bosh-bashing, same old story, doesn't get to the rim.

Bosh relies on his jumper. Nothing is going to change that.

Karl Malone is another big, who relied on his jumper. He had an Ok career. He shot his jumper over, and over, and over and once that jumper is falling, the defense is dead, because now everything is open, and getting to the rim comes naturally, off of that jumper.

But the team has to make that a priority. You can't just expect that to be their whenever you feel like it. You have to get Bosh going early and often.

It's amazing how quickly everyone has forgotten how dominant Bosh was offensively at the start of the year. He was unstoppable.

If we're going to win games, we got to make Bosh priority numero uno, once again, and we got to let him shoot that jumper until the cows come home.
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Old 12-17-2008, 10:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Bosh was unstoppable because he was facing bad teams, it's that simple. I'm sure he'll resume being unstoppable over the next week when they start facing the Thunder, Clippers, and Kings.
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Old 12-17-2008, 10:01 PM   #3 (permalink)
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lol again with the Karl comparison.... why dont i just compare Joey to Jordan while we are here?
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Old 12-17-2008, 10:02 PM   #4 (permalink)
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lol again with the Karl comparison.... why dont i just compare Joey to Jordan while we are here?
It's a valid comparison, they're both jumpshooting big men.
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Old 12-17-2008, 10:12 PM   #5 (permalink)
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It's a valid comparison, they're both jumpshooting big men.
Karl was infinitely tougher then Chris, better inside, a better rebounder, a better leader, more intense and just overall way more consistent and worked harder in the off season and during the season (dude was a specimen, while Bosh is a toothpick). Karl was one of the greatest ever, Chris wont even be remembered expect by fans in the cities he played in. The best case for him is to be a number 2, and he could have a great career.
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Old 12-17-2008, 10:23 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I have never seen Bosh rely as much on his jumper as he has this season. He is a pf he needs to attack the rim not be another jump-shot happy Carter.
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Old 12-17-2008, 10:24 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Do some of you still follow this team? My goodness. I praise you for your mental toughness. I can't stand watching a team where the "star" player is usually the downfall. Fuck Bosh. Fuck the raptors.
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Old 12-17-2008, 10:24 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Were I a Magic fan I wouldn't want Dwight Howard shooting jumpers. Were I a Suns fan, I wouldn't want Shaq shooting jumpers. I'm a Raptors fan. I DO NOT WANT Bosh SHOOTING JUMPERS. PERIOD. When Bosh settles for jump shots, he shoots under 40% for the game, sometimes under 30%. He IS NOT a jump shooter, as much as he thinks he is. The only reason you want Bosh "shooting jumpers until the cows come home" is if you are intentionally trying to tank to get a great draft pick.
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Old 12-17-2008, 10:25 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I have never seen Bosh rely as much on his jumper as he has this season. He is a pf he needs to attack the rim not be another jump-shot happy Carter.
I'd take jump-shooting Carter over Bosh in a second.
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Old 12-17-2008, 10:33 PM   #10 (permalink)
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shaq and dwight are the only two star players that make a living in the post. duncan, garnett, bosh, boozer, brand, west....all spend their time in the perimeter rather than under the net. i don't think you guys understand how important it is for Bosh to be out there in the perimeter. you watch the games? who's getting him the ball if he's there under the net? how will it open the floor? yes, Bosh is in a funk, but hearing you guys talk like this is just stupid. our biggest problem isn't chris's play, it's not having the players to play with chris. what use is someone who can distract a whole team if his own teammates just stand around and talk 3pters.
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Old 12-17-2008, 10:42 PM   #11 (permalink)
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It's a valid comparison, they're both jumpshooting big men.
Karl had size to create space, and more of a post up game. They also had creative ways to get him shots, pick and roll (again, his size made this more effective too). And lastly, when he shot, there were rebounders under the net.
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Old 12-17-2008, 10:45 PM   #12 (permalink)
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It's not Bosh's job to spread the floor. We have 3 guys who are in the top 12 in the league in 3-point shooting. It's their job to spread the floor. Besides, the further Bosh is from the three-point arc, the more room those shooters have because Bosh's man has to stay on him. Right now Bosh is way too far from the basket, so if Bosh is being double-teamed, when he passes the ball out to the arc, the helper (for the other team) only has a couple steps to get out on the shooter. Add this to Bosh's sloppy passing ability, and it means no open looks for our shooters. It's no coincidence that Bosh has never averaged over 3 APG.
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Old 12-17-2008, 10:45 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Malone was a BEAST!
whereever he was on the court, he'd always make space for himself throwing his elbows around.
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Old 12-17-2008, 10:49 PM   #14 (permalink)
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It's not Bosh's job to spread the floor. We have 3 guys who are in the top 12 in the league in 3-point shooting. It's their job to spread the floor. Besides, the further Bosh is from the three-point arc, the more room those shooters have because Bosh's man has to stay on him. Right now Bosh is way too far from the basket, so if Bosh is being double-teamed, when he passes the ball out to the arc, the helper (for the other team) only has a couple steps to get out on the shooter. Add this to Bosh's sloppy passing ability, and it means no open looks for our shooters. It's no coincidence that Bosh has never averaged over 3 APG.
how's talking about Bosh spreading the floor? he opens the floor

why are you thinking 3pters? get that shit out of your head. thats backwards thinking and exactly what is wrong with this team.
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Old 12-17-2008, 11:14 PM   #15 (permalink)
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bosh doesn't even take jumpers anymore, half his shots are fade-away jumpers ... He can't get anywhere on the court where he wants, because he's being pushed around by everybody. Something's definitely not right with him, I mean it's the second game in a row where he's missing a wide open dunk ... Either tired or disinsterested - that's my guess.
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Old 12-18-2008, 12:21 AM   #16 (permalink)
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how's talking about Bosh spreading the floor? he opens the floor

why are you thinking 3pters? get that shit out of your head. thats backwards thinking and exactly what is wrong with this team.
I'd rather have our shooters taking open 3s than Bosh shooting jumpers any day of the week. We're #4 in 3-point percentage, but only #17 in three point attempts. Instead we have Bosh bricking jumper after jumper after jumper. What is that point of that?

And you talk about how Bosh opens the floor. The whole point of "opening the floor" is to get your shooters open looks.
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Old 12-18-2008, 12:26 AM   #17 (permalink)
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maybe we're #4 in the league in 3pt% becuase we're #17 in 3pt att.
baron davis usually leads the league in 3pt attempted.
he has never shot over 34% from the 3pt line in a season.
3-pointers are a low percentage shot.
why wouldnt you want to take higher percentage shots(lay-ups, dunks)?

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maybe we're #4 in the league in 3pt% becuase we're #17 in 3pt att.
baron davis usually leads the league in 3pt attempted.
he has never shot over 34% from the 3pt line in a season.
3-pointers are a low percentage shot.
why wouldnt you want to take higher percentage shots(lay-ups, dunks)?
I DO want dunks and lay-ups. The whole point I've been making is that I DO NOT want Bosh shooting jumpers. Have you not read anything I've said? If Bosh is only going to clank fadeaway jumpers, I'd rather have our shooters shooting threes.
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right now Bosh is the focul point of our offense....
he needs to establish his game so he get doubled teamed or even triple teamed.
in order to do this, he's gotta take those long jumps and nail them.
hes gotta drive it as well.
when 2 or 3 out of 5 guys from the other team is guarding bosh, that leaves someone open.
the jumper is part of bosh's game. he's still gotta develop it, but he shoots the ball damn well for a big man already.
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Old 12-18-2008, 06:15 AM   #20 (permalink)
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I'm going to be nice, and just say that most of you can't seem to grasp what I'm saying.


The point isn't to compare Bosh to Karl Malone in every facet of the game. I'm not saying Chris Bosh is Karl Malone

The point was that Bosh is a jumpshooting big, first and foremost, and his one on one game relies on that 15 foot jumper, not unlike Karl Malone.

Their have been numerous bigs in this league, who rely on knocking down that jumpshot first, before they go inside. Elton Brand being another one. The 15 footer sets up the rest of his game. When that isn't falling for Brand, or even West, not much else is going for them. Even Duncan is 10x more effective when he can work off his 15 foot bank shot. When that isn't falling, things get tougher.
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