Bleacher Report: Why Signing Hedo Turkoglu Makes Sense
Old 10-13-2009, 03:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
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In one of several big name signings this off season in the NBA, the Toronto Raptors signed the 30-year-old Hedo Turkoglu to a five-year $50 million plus contract. That wasn’t the big surprise, Turkoglu could have signed with Portland for similar money. The surprise was in the ravings from some writers and fans expounding on how the Raptors would live to regret this deal two, three, or four years down the road when Hedo’s skills will mysteriously desert him.

The exaggerated concerns over Hedo’s age are bordering on stupid strange. At least that’s what a logical person would have to conclude after listening to the Raptors GM and looking at the deals given to other players that have extended well into their middle thirties and beyond.

According to the Raptors GM, Hedo Turkoglu relies on his basketball I.Q. for his success rather than his athleticism. Therefore, like another middle-aged free agent that he signed, Steve Nash, Turkoglu’s effectiveness isn’t expected to decline at the same pace as other players.

But if one looks at other “middle-aged” NBA players who remain employed well into their thirties, Bryan Colangelo’s explanation is at best only a partial look into the signing of “older” athletes (it’s really hard to believe that anyone is calling someone old at 30 these days).
Over 30 in the NBA: Why Signing Hedo Turkoglu Makes Sense | Bleacher Report

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Old 10-13-2009, 03:31 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I agree you need a good mixture of Vets and young players to go anywhere, which is why BC wants to keep Bosh/Bargs/Calderon together, they're now starting to figure things out and going into their prime, add to that Hedo who's just gone to the finals. On paper, a nice combination.
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I think that whole "on paper" is a jinx for us lol.
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When VC can earn 17 Mill. a year,10 Mil. for Hedo is not so much
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when Hedo can do what Vince can he'll get 17!

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when Hedo can do what Vince can he'll get 17!

To exaggerate a bit, the main difference between Hedo and Vince last year was 4 points per game. They played the same number of minutes, and washed for rebounds, assists, etc. Vince eked him out on steals, blocks and shooting %.

Hedo's $10M per year is fair for his value, especially considering what that extra $7M buys you (not a whole lot).

Vince is a good fit on a shooting-guard starved Orlando team, and when motivated he's awesome. He's also entering his 12th NBA season, and is not quite the same player he was 3 years ago.
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Good read. I just hope being written off is a strong motivating factor for Hedo.
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I have to see Hedo playing few games with Raptors .... till then, I reserve the right to have doubts. We were so high on J. O'Neal, I don't want to follow the same path this year.
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One thing I don't like about Hedo is how much he flops going to the rim, even in late game situations. He gets a hand on the hip and he exaggerates the contact and throws up an ugly throw (can't call it a shot) putting the pressure squarely on the official to make the call.
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I have to see Hedo playing few games with Raptors .... till then, I reserve the right to have doubts. We were so high on J. O'Neal, I don't want to follow the same path this year.
Pffft, i wasn't that high on JO, and couldn't understand why everyone here was. JO the player is/was good, but his injury issues were what put doubts in my mind. Well that, plus we gave up whatever depth we had + 1st rounder to get him here, therefore we had absolutely no depth.


Hedo has no major injury issues in his career and we have added alot of depth on top of bringing him here. I know i'm alot more optomistic now then i was last year at this time.
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Pffft, i wasn't that high on JO, and couldn't understand why everyone here was. JO the player is/was good, but his injury issues were what put doubts in my mind. Well that, plus we gave up whatever depth we had + 1st rounder to get him here, therefore we had absolutely no depth.


Hedo has no major injury issues in his career and we have added alot of depth on top of bringing him here. I know i'm alot more optomistic now then i was last year at this time.
Common jeff, everybody was at least happy with JO trade, don't try to deny it.
Is not like I am writing off Hedo, I am just curious if he fits well in Raptors system. The only environment Hedo performed well was in Orlando, playing behind 2 very good players, Howard and Lewis.
Questions I have about Hedo & Co:
1. Is Andrea going to bump Hedo at the 3 point line? (Howard wouldn't play at 3 point line)
2. Who is going to collect the missed baskets after Hedo jumpers? (It used to be Howard)
3. Who is going to stop the opposite SF that blows by Hedo? (It used to be Howard)
4. Is Jose going to let the ball in Hedo's hands and play 2 guard?

Once I see these won't be issues (or big issues) then I can say I am happy
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Common jeff, everybody was at least happy with JO trade, don't try to deny it.
Are you new here? Anyone that was here last year knows i wasn't thrilled about JO, mainly because of his shit knee. There is alot more stability in the Hedo deal, plus the added depth solitifies this as a much better summer.
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Are you new here? Anyone that was here last year knows i wasn't thrilled about JO, mainly because of his shit knee. There is alot more stability in the Hedo deal, plus the added depth solitifies this as a much better summer.
LOL ... Look at my join date "Join Date: Dec 2007", it was pretty much when this forum was created. Not to mention that I came over from Eze's Forum with most of the old timers

I got your point, good thing you are so optimist, but personally I am still holding my optimism .... everything looks good on the paper, just something it doesn't feel right at this moment. We may be a better team, but are Raptors a second round playoff team?
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I have to see Hedo playing few games with Raptors .... till then, I reserve the right to have doubts. We were so high on J. O'Neal, I don't want to follow the same path this year.
It's really unfair to lump concerns about a broken down JO with a never been hurt Hedo!

The JO signing was a gamble that he could come back from serious injury! What's the gamble with Hedo? Did he somehow forget how to play bball over the summer?

Hedo will be the Raps 3rd best scorer, 3rd highest rebounder, 2nd most assists. Best SF that I can remember on the team.
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It's really unfair to lump concerns about a broken down JO with a never been hurt Hedo!

The JO signing was a gamble that he could come back from serious injury! What's the gamble with Hedo? Did he somehow forget how to play bball over the summer?

Hedo will be the Raps 3rd best scorer, 3rd highest rebounder, 2nd most assists. Best SF that I can remember on the team.
All that plus we have Hedo, Jack, Belinelli, Derozan, Evans, Johnson, Rasho, Weems instead of JO, Soloman, Adams, Kapono, Graham, Ukic, AP, Jawai. The fact is we didn't put all our eggs in one basket like was done last season, which was a broken down basket at that.





Enough said.
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when Hedo can do what Vince can he'll get 17!

That's True.

And when I have a 36" no step vertical, I'll be drafted! (just 30" more to go!)

Vince still has amazing hops, remembering last season.
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Common jeff, everybody was at least happy with JO trade, don't try to deny it.
Is not like I am writing off Hedo, I am just curious if he fits well in Raptors system. The only environment Hedo performed well was in Orlando, playing behind 2 very good players, Howard and Lewis.
Questions I have about Hedo & Co:
1. Is Andrea going to bump Hedo at the 3 point line? (Howard wouldn't play at 3 point line)
2. Who is going to collect the missed baskets after Hedo jumpers? (It used to be Howard)
3. Who is going to stop the opposite SF that blows by Hedo? (It used to be Howard)
4. Is Jose going to let the ball in Hedo's hands and play 2 guard?

Once I see these won't be issues (or big issues) then I can say I am happy
Wow, you make it sound like Hedo is all weaknesses and no strengths.

If you actually followed hedo's career, you'd know that he was actually a solid spark plug off the bench for the Spurs for a year, before moving on to Orlando. And considering he was young and could barely get off the bench in Sacramento, he always had potential.

As for your points:

1 - Last I checked, the 3 point line was an line, not a single point. There's plenty room to go around, especially since both Bargs and Hedo like to post up occasionally.

2 - Rebounding in our starting lineup is our biggest weakness. Bargs needs to carry more of the load. At least Hedo isn't really a downgrade from a rebounding standpoint over who we had at the 3 for most of last season (Moon, Kapono, Graham). He's a downgrade from Marion rebound-wise though.

3 - Howard isn't a one man team. Hedo's not really worse than Moon, Graham and certainly not Kapono on D.

4 - Give me a break. Are you seriously asking if Jose Calderon is going to pass the ball to Hedo? Jose usually hands the ball off after he crosses half-court anyway; he's the most unselfish player on our team. I'm sure Jose will be fine with whatever Hedo does with the ball after a rebound.
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Yeah ... you totally missed the point.
First of all, I did not say that Hedo is all weakness, I just said that Hedo style MAY not fit as well as it was with Orlando. I am pretty sure Hedo will be a solid player, but is he going to move Raptors to the second round in playoffs? It will depend on the little things, how well he will complement the current core consisting in CB4, Jose and Andrea.

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1 - Last I checked, the 3 point line was an line, not a single point. There's plenty room to go around, especially since both Bargs and Hedo like to post up occasionally.
The point was not that Andrea and Hedo will bump each other physically, just that Hedo had a lot of room to operate with Orlando because Howard was playing close to the paint and he usually demanded double team. Andrea is a totally different kind of Center and he doesn't demand double team, yet.

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2 - Rebounding in our starting lineup is our biggest weakness. Bargs needs to carry more of the load. At least Hedo isn't really a downgrade from a rebounding standpoint over who we had at the 3 for most of last season (Moon, Kapono, Graham). He's a downgrade from Marion rebound-wise though.
Forget Moon, Graham and Kapono, they are gone. Hedo was really confident to take jumpers because Howard is a rebounding machine on the offensive board. Raptors have a tendency to not go after offensive boards.

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3 - Howard isn't a one man team. Hedo's not really worse than Moon, Graham and certainly not Kapono on D.
Again, forget Moon, Graham and Kapono, they are gone. Howard is not one man team, but Hedo had in Howard a beast inside of paint, DH12 bailed out Turk many times.

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4 - Give me a break. Are you seriously asking if Jose Calderon is going to pass the ball to Hedo? Jose usually hands the ball off after he crosses half-court anyway; he's the most unselfish player on our team. I'm sure Jose will be fine with whatever Hedo does with the ball after a rebound.
No, I am not asking if Jose is going to pass the ball to Hedo, just how efficient would be Jose to play off ball. It may turn out to be just fine, but I have to see this on floor, not just the theory.
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Common jeff, everybody was at least happy with JO trade, don't try to deny it.
Is not like I am writing off Hedo, I am just curious if he fits well in Raptors system. The only environment Hedo performed well was in Orlando, playing behind 2 very good players, Howard and Lewis.
Questions I have about Hedo & Co:
1. Is Andrea going to bump Hedo at the 3 point line? (Howard wouldn't play at 3 point line)
2. Who is going to collect the missed baskets after Hedo jumpers? (It used to be Howard)
3. Who is going to stop the opposite SF that blows by Hedo? (It used to be Howard)
4. Is Jose going to let the ball in Hedo's hands and play 2 guard?

Once I see these won't be issues (or big issues) then I can say I am happy
1. no
2. howard only gets 4 OR, at most 1 was after missed hedu shots. Bosh is close to howard on OR, so he will get 3/4 of that rebound. not going to worry for .25 OR.
3. hedu is a competent defender. he might not be great, but he's the best we had in years (if you don't count 2 months of marion)
4. is there any reason that you'd think jose as a selfish player???
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4. is there any reason that you'd think jose as a selfish player???
I didn't meant to say Jose is selfish ... just that if he plays 2 guard it might not be that efficient as playing PG. I might rather have a creative guy like DeMar if Turk gets to handle the point.

Again, what you say it may be right, but I have to see on floor, not from internet "experts" (sorry)
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