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Old 12-23-2009, 12:19 AM   #1 (permalink)
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As a reserve player his first two seasons, he averaged a solid 12 points a game. After averaging 15 points in the playoffs, Bucks thought they had a diamond and secured it with a 6 year contract worth $66 million. The Bucks then traded starter and leading scorer Glen Robinson, clearing the way for Thomas’ star to shine.



For their generosity they were rewarded with a mediocre effort from Thomas. The Bucks had no choice but to part ways with him.



Fast Forward to 2006, The Suns are doing great in the playoff with significant contribution from journeyman Thomas who just happens to be a free agent after the season.



This time the Clippers took the bait at a tune of $24 million over 4 years. It was two seasons before they realized they had been shown a thoroughbred and sold a mule.



At 32 it is very doubtful that anyone will throw money at Tim Thomas again, but we can create an award for the player most likely to play great in a contract year and then coast his way through a new contract.



This season's front runner is Hedo Turkoglu.



The Turkish forward had the best season of his nine year NBA career last year as the Orlando Magic diced their way into the Finals. Turkoglu's ball handling skills and clutch shooting were key factors as the forward emerged from a role player to a star.

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Old 12-23-2009, 12:45 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 12-23-2009, 12:47 AM   #3 (permalink)
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It's a bit early to assign that makeshift award to Hedo yet, and despite this writers perception he hasn't played that poorly. There have been games where he has struggled, and it is at times disconcerting for us Raps fans. Though, the season is this in its early states. Let's just wait and see what transpires in the next few months. It is rather convenient that he doesn't delve too deeply into what makes him the leading candidate for this "award".
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Old 12-23-2009, 01:47 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Talk about sheer stupidity.

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Old 12-23-2009, 02:27 AM   #5 (permalink)
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08-09 ORL 77 77 36.6 0.413 0.356 0.807 0.6 4.7 5.3 4.9 0.8 0.2 2.65 2.83 16.8
09-10 TOR 29 29 33.5 0.430 0.398 0.826 0.6 4.1 4.7 4.2 0.6 0.5 2.00 2.97 14.0

all the numbers are slightly down, but so are his minutes played. Shooting more effectively if anything.

Btw Tim Thomas lead the Mavs with 22 when Dirk was having teeth pulled from his elbow.
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Hedo doesn't make me think of TT in the least. This is the sort of thing where the influence of Bill Simmon's mind on the public becomes destructive.
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Old 12-23-2009, 07:22 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Can we give Bargnani the Keith Van Horn Award:

Picked highed in a shallow draft, one thought of a versataille franchise player, capable of giving you double digit scoring any season, turned journey man going from team to team to close career.



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Old 12-23-2009, 09:27 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I really don't get writers some days, not that the Bleacher report is uber professional, but how on one hand can they fawn all over Dwight Howard like he's the next Wilt Chaimberland, changing the game for all his mates and giving them room, then attack Hedo in another article because his point total is down ONE BASKET from last year after coming in to a weaker team with 4 offensive threats and playing less minutes.

This is a classic example of a guy making shit up to write about without thinking it through.

Hedo is exactly what he was, one of the premier 6th men in the league, he's just playing in a situation where he has to be the starter.
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Old 12-23-2009, 10:16 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Hedo is exactly what he was, one of the premier 6th men in the league, he's just playing in a situation where he has to be the starter.
He getting paid starter's money. Not to many 6th man getting 10 million per year.
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Hedo is a starter in any team in this league. It's funny how people's expectations affect their judgement. Just for an example, he outplayed previous year's Finals MVP in the last game of the series between Boston and Orlando. Check it out: < HEDO IS HERO FOR MAGIC IN GAME 7|OneManFastBreak.net >
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Old 12-23-2009, 12:47 PM   #11 (permalink)
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just a bad article

turkoglu is having his 2nd best career year statistically, he just plays fewer minutes (mostly because he had a tough summer + injuries).
He's making only 10 million in today's money (what was the cap space 10 years ago?). He was a starter and the MVP of Orlando's title run. He fits a major need on this roster.

How the heck is this similar with thomas????
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I'm not against to being premier 6th man of the league esp considering Manu is also over there but I'm completely thinking opposite of you : He can start at any team of this league except Offensive Arsenal of the League, Raptor.
I think Raps fans are over looking certain facts. Hedo is a crowned NBA player who is considered one of the best in his positon. I believe he has been listed in the best 25 players of the leauge.
Hedo played for the Kings alongside with Peja, Divac, played for the Spurs and started there, then went to orlando and carried his team to the finals. It is a known fact. He was named MIP.
Raps fans have to give me names with that many credentials before I take them seriously.
Toronto is a below .500 team. If it was in the western conference, it would be clubbered. Nets, kings save the day for the Canadians. However they are in the process of rebuilding. What is going to happen next year?
Let me tell you. .
Hedo still wont get as many touches, Bosh will struggle elsewhere because no NBA team has the luxury of having more then one superstar. We all know what would happen if Bosh didnt use the last balls.
Calderon as usual will get injured, in the mean time he ll suck then get injured. Bargs will wait behind the perimeter with his 7 foot frame.
Beli will keep on shooting blanks. Derozan will impersonate Brandon Jennings and come up empty. Jack will think he is tony parker and get the final shots.
Yep, toronto is a great team with superstars, the only problem is Hedo.
As of now the only good thing about this team is the cheerleading squad.
Nice looking babes. Thats it. And yes Triano's tailored suits.
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Old 12-23-2009, 01:17 PM   #13 (permalink)
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so you're saying the entire team sucks except for Hedo?
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Old 12-23-2009, 01:17 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Hedo himself has actually admitted that he hasn't played his best ball so far in a Raps uni.... so I really don't see what the big outcry is for to defend him.

He IS capable of playing better. He just has to work on his body a bit and figure out exactly HOW he can best help this squad.
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reminds me more of jalen rose, slowing down in his 30's but getting paid big, big pointforward's that were never the greatest athlete's but physically are immobile this late in the game and unable to chase oppoing sf's around. little different situation's as rose came here with an shorter contract and hedo was just foolishly signed so hedo gets asked to do more then he's capable and rose wanted to do more then he's capable

As for tim thomas, i almost dont blame bucks for thinking he had a chance to be special. Thomas had a shit load of talent and a very high ceiling he just hardly improved. In that regard's i guess you could say he's comparable to Bargnani who just got a pretty big extension while yet to show he can rebound better then the average 2 guard or play 30 minutes of intense and focused defence without his head up his ass
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so you're saying the entire team sucks except for Hedo?
Yep pretty much.
Actually the think I dont understand is when you have a tream this bad, how can you find the heart to create a sitting duck for yourselves.
Hedo averaged 15 touches a game in orlando, here he doesnt see the ball untill the 4th quarter. Because the big ones like long range shooting. Thats not an NBA team. Hedo is Hedo, he does certain things. If you sign him to do those things you have to give him the opportunity to do so. Otherwise you should have kept going with Marion. Oh, yeah you didnt like him either.
So who do you like? let me tell you, not even LeBron can save this team. Maybe a combo of Kobe / Howard might have a chance.
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holy shit.

This team hasn't been great and real supporters of the team haven't been happy with the way the season has gone up to now. Hedo is a good player... he's done some good things up to now, but let me tell you man....he has very much been part of the problem up to now. fact. I like him as a basketball player. I still think things will work out for the team sooner rather than later... and i think that Hedo will be a big contributor when things start to turn around, but I'm not going to sit here and say that hedo has been the epitome of greatness on the court while everyone else on the team is lousy.

That's nonsense. complete and utter nonsense.
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You have a point there.
But the answer is in my last post. If you dont give him the opportunity to do his thing, he ll fail. He gets rebounds, he is not used to that. Where do you see an SF get rebounds while Center is out somewhere picking flowers? We want him to create his own shot, get rebounds, assists, do the pick and roll with Bosh, score more than 20 points, in return nobody gives him the ball. Is it fair?
The problem is within the coaching system. Terrible rotation, terrible timing, no problem solving moves. So Hedo was great elsewhere but now in toronto all of a sudden he s decided to chop the team. Is that so? They cant use him. Period.
And that is not Hedo's fault.
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Yep pretty much.
Actually the think I dont understand is when you have a tream this bad, how can you find the heart to create a sitting duck for yourselves.
Hedo averaged 15 touches a game in orlando, here he doesnt see the ball untill the 4th quarter. Because the big ones like long range shooting. Thats not an NBA team. Hedo is Hedo, he does certain things. If you sign him to do those things you have to give him the opportunity to do so. Otherwise you should have kept going with Marion. Oh, yeah you didnt like him either.
So who do you like? let me tell you, not even LeBron can save this team. Maybe a combo of Kobe / Howard might have a chance.
orlando had the personnel to compensate for hedo's defence and horrid shooting efficiency.
give hedo 2-3 more touch's a game and hedo will drag the raps scoring down(with 40% chucks) while the turnover's go up. I could care less that hedo can pad the dimes, so can jack, so can jose and they turn the ball over alot less. Plus the extra 2-3 touch's would make hedo even more tired and lazy on D, he would chase anyone around(not that he does in the first place)
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Herschell:
I'm not the biggest fan of how the team has been coached so far either. For the record, i don't agree with the author of the article in the thread.... but:
a. Bargnani is a good player. He's not like Dwight Howard or close to as good as him, but he's a good player.
b. Hedo has been a little too passive in quite a few games. Not saying he isn't good, but i'm just saying that he's had some bad games like everyone else on this team.
c. the guys on this team: Jack, Andrea, Bosh, Jose, Johnson, Hedo, Maybe Belinelli (once he gets out of this slump)... they are good enough to win consistently. for sure.

Maybe some people expect too much out of Hedo... i don't think i do. I don't really care aout what numbers he (or anyone else) puts up as long as the team competes hard.
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