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Old 12-18-2009, 02:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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By trading Andrea Bargnani...

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He seems to lack the focus that many players need to be successful. I admit they're aren't many 7 footers with the skill set of Andrea's but that Raptors just don't need his skill set anymore. We have Hedo Turkoglu who i believe is 6'10 and does the same things on the court that Andrea does. For me I feel like the Raptors should of never drafted him in the first place. When we drafted him We already had an up and coming big man in Chris Bosh, He was suppose to be the cornerstone to our franchise, so why did we draft another player that plays the same position? If that Raptors would of Drafted Brandon Roy or Rudy Gay we would be in a completely different situation with two true superstars instead one. They're two reasons why the Raptors should trade Andrea Bargnani, First he has no concept of defence (well it seems like no one on the Raptors does), but he is is a 7 footer, he should average at least 8 rebounds per game, and block at least 2 shots, he is very athletic he just doesn't have the hustle or desire to do these things. The other reason why the Raptors should trade Bargnani is because he has the most trade value and potential out of everyone on the Raptors beside Chris Bosh

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Old 12-18-2009, 02:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Bargnani is not the problem..
it's turk, he is making Andrea look bad because he plays a similiar game

during the second half of the season last year we were not talking about trading Bargs, because he was balling.. he had more room to ball, more touches to get in rhythm.. but now Hedo trows him off his game
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Old 12-18-2009, 02:13 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Old 12-18-2009, 02:14 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Agreed: if anyone is to be moved, it should be Bargs.
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Old 12-18-2009, 02:26 PM   #5 (permalink)
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theres a big reason why we cant trade Bargs.... its because the management knows CB is leaving next season, and Bargs is going to be his replacement at the PF spot.
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Old 12-18-2009, 02:32 PM   #6 (permalink)
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replace one player and you'll get nothing
if this is the best the team can do, nothing you replace will make a significant difference
say you're trading Bargnani for a veteran center who is a top defender
you know what you'll get? Last year Raptors before JO was traded.

Remind me again why we've trade JO? Because we sucked ... and he couldn't "mesh" with Bosh in the offense. Of course, Bargnani can't mesh with Bosh on defense, so what you gonna do. You'll be damned either way.
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replace one player and you'll get nothing
Billups for Iverson
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Yes I am sure that will solve all the problems with this team.



And Bargs aint going anywhere until maybe Bosh resigns.
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Old 12-18-2009, 02:41 PM   #9 (permalink)
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they got 4 more wins with billups - you forget that denver was a good team *48-50 wins) before they got billups
and they benefited from other good teams falling behind (phoenix, sas, dallas, utah had bad years), so they got an easier path in the playoffs.

Add 4 or 10 more wins to our team and you still get a .500 team with not much chance of getting better without the wild card that is bargnani
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and gay is not a superstar, he would be just like turk on this team, where most of the shots belong to bosh, not to him.
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its really funny how everyone turns on Bargs as the scapegoat, but tends to look past our "superstar" Bosh. now i love bosh, he's our star and he's tearing up the league currently - 25/11 - or whatever, but has anyone really thought that the reason for our poor interior Defense and us getting 'owned' in the paint - is his fault?
he is probably one of the skinniest/weakest/softest PF's in the league. sure he grabs 11 rebs a game, but that doesnt stop the fact that we get smashed in the middle on a nightly basis. look at the other premiere PF's in the NBA - which of those guys has a bigtime Center beside them? kg - no, duncan - no, boozer - no, amar'e - no... they all grab boards like CB, but more importantly, they dont allow themselves or their teams to get raped in the paint like Bosh does.
he has no intimidation factor and he is pretty much a weakling when it counts.
dont lay all the blame of our internal D problems on Bargs (yes, he deserves some), but Bosh is the major culprit in my eyes.
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they got 4 more wins with billups - you forget that denver was a good team *48-50 wins) before they got billups
and they benefited from other good teams falling behind (phoenix, sas, dallas, utah had bad years), so they got an easier path in the playoffs.
Denver never got out of the first round of the playoffs. They reached the western conference finals by destroying New Orleans in 5 games & Dallas in 5 games. Billups turned that franchise around and are expected to reach the Western Conference Finals again. Something that can't be said before Billups arrived. Moremilk, do you know your bball?
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its really funny how everyone turns on Bargs as the scapegoat, but tends to look past our "superstar" Bosh. now i love bosh, he's our star and he's tearing up the league currently - 25/11 - or whatever, but has anyone really thought that the reason for our poor interior Defense and us getting 'owned' in the paint - is his fault?
he is probably one of the skinniest/weakest/softest PF's in the league. sure he grabs 11 rebs a game, but that doesnt stop the fact that we get smashed in the middle on a nightly basis. look at the other premiere PF's in the NBA - which of those guys has a bigtime Center beside them? kg - no, duncan - no, boozer - no, amar'e - no... they all grab boards like CB, but more importantly, they dont allow themselves or their teams to get raped in the paint like Bosh does.
he has no intimidation factor and he is pretty much a weakling when it counts.
dont lay all the blame of our internal D problems on Bargs (yes, he deserves some), but Bosh is the major culprit in my eyes.
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So trading Bargnani will "fix" everything?? What a tool! And the main reason is his defecnce.....yet he's a better one on one defender then Bosh and is one of the better defensive rebounding Center's in the league. And what does he think we'll get in return?
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Bargnani is not the problem..
it's turk, he is making Andrea look bad because he plays a similiar game
bargnani is center who plays like a SF..
as far as I understand you want a small forward to play like a center..
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its really funny how everyone turns on Bargs as the scapegoat, but tends to look past our "superstar" Bosh. now i love bosh, he's our star and he's tearing up the league currently - 25/11 - or whatever, but has anyone really thought that the reason for our poor interior Defense and us getting 'owned' in the paint - is his fault?
he is probably one of the skinniest/weakest/softest PF's in the league. sure he grabs 11 rebs a game, but that doesnt stop the fact that we get smashed in the middle on a nightly basis. look at the other premiere PF's in the NBA - which of those guys has a bigtime Center beside them? kg - no, duncan - no, boozer - no, amar'e - no... they all grab boards like CB, but more importantly, they dont allow themselves or their teams to get raped in the paint like Bosh does.
he has no intimidation factor and he is pretty much a weakling when it counts.
dont lay all the blame of our internal D problems on Bargs (yes, he deserves some), but Bosh is the major culprit in my eyes.

Define big time center. Perkins, Okur, and Fry. Those are pretty good centers Perkins most notably. But yeah, with the Raptors size 3 through 5, its amazing that we have no shot blocking ability.
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So trading Bargnani will "fix" everything?? What a tool! And the main reason is his defecnce.....yet he's a better one on one defender then Bosh and is one of the better defensive rebounding Center's in the league.
What are you smoking. Bargnani is a better one on one defender than Bosh. Ask Beasley how he did with Bargnani. I think he scored his career high. Better defensive rebounding centers, you better have numbers that back it up. How about out of the 30 or 31 teams in the NBA, Bargnani ranks 21 among centers in defensive rebounds per game.. Thats bottom 10.

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Also if you spread it over 48 minutes, he ranks 36th in the league.

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its really funny how everyone turns on Bargs as the scapegoat, but tends to look past our "superstar" Bosh. now i love bosh, he's our star and he's tearing up the league currently - 25/11 - or whatever, but has anyone really thought that the reason for our poor interior Defense and us getting 'owned' in the paint - is his fault?
he is probably one of the skinniest/weakest/softest PF's in the league. sure he grabs 11 rebs a game, but that doesnt stop the fact that we get smashed in the middle on a nightly basis. look at the other premiere PF's in the NBA - which of those guys has a bigtime Center beside them? kg - no, duncan - no, boozer - no, amar'e - no... they all grab boards like CB, but more importantly, they dont allow themselves or their teams to get raped in the paint like Bosh does.
he has no intimidation factor and he is pretty much a weakling when it counts.
dont lay all the blame of our internal D problems on Bargs (yes, he deserves some), but Bosh is the major culprit in my eyes.
Thank you, sir.

Whether consciously or not, I think people correlate Bargnani's lack of facial expression on the court to being worse on defense than Chris Bosh who is very good at yelling to the sky. They're both equally as bad, and people hating on Bargnani for his hedges on screens need to check themselves and watch Bosh "hedge" a screen. Blaming everything on Bargnani is too convenient, unfair, and completely wrong.

Fact is it's hard not to mess up on rotations more than a few times when your perimeter guys are being blown by on nearly every possession. The blame starts on the perimeter for me. I can't imagine how frustrating it must get to have to help over and leave your man every time down on defense.

Honestly, if Bosh REALLY wanted things to change on defense he'd have reamed Andrea out on the court in front of all of his teammates and not tried to pussy foot around it by coming out about it in the media.
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its really funny how everyone turns on Bargs as the scapegoat, but tends to look past our "superstar" Bosh. now i love bosh, he's our star and he's tearing up the league currently - 25/11 - or whatever, but has anyone really thought that the reason for our poor interior Defense and us getting 'owned' in the paint - is his fault?
he is probably one of the skinniest/weakest/softest PF's in the league. sure he grabs 11 rebs a game, but that doesnt stop the fact that we get smashed in the middle on a nightly basis. look at the other premiere PF's in the NBA - which of those guys has a bigtime Center beside them? kg - no, duncan - no, boozer - no, amar'e - no... they all grab boards like CB, but more importantly, they dont allow themselves or their teams to get raped in the paint like Bosh does.
he has no intimidation factor and he is pretty much a weakling when it counts.
dont lay all the blame of our internal D problems on Bargs (yes, he deserves some), but Bosh is the major culprit in my eyes.
With the exception of Amare, all those teams play defence. Sloan, Poppovich, and Thibodeau preach defence. The paint for the the Raptors is like a runway for the other team. Ever read news & blogs about Phoenix, Amare gets blasted for his defence and lack of rebounding.
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What are you smoking. Bargnani is a better one on one defender than Bosh. Ask Beasley how he did with Bargnani. I think he scored his career high. Better defensive rebounding centers, you better have numbers that back it up. How about out of the 30 or 31 teams in the NBA, Bargnani ranks 21 among centers in defensive rebounds per game.. Thats bottom 10.
Beasley is a power forward in a small forward's body with a small forward's skill set. Can you honestly tell me you believe Chris Bosh would have done a better job guarding a face up player like Beasley? Please. JO blew by Bosh consistently on Tuesday - dude doesn't even have knees.

Bargnani is a better defender when it comes to locking his man down in the post, and it's not even close.
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