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Old 02-16-2010, 01:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Monta Ellis: Should we say he's putting up big stats because he's playing for a crummy team, or should we be impressed that he's only 24 and averaging a 26-5-4 right now? Tough call. I trust the collective intuition of Warriors fans as much as any NBA fan base -- it's between Warriors fans, Raptors fans and Knicks fans in any "most realistic about their own players" contest -- and even they seem perplexed by Monta. Let's marinate on him for another year.

(As for the "least realistic about their own players" contest ... I think it's a battle to the death between two fan bases and two fan bases only. They know who they are.)

(Funniest part of that last paragraph: The fans from those two fan bases are going to send me e-mails saying, "Look, I'm the last person to get oversensitive about this stuff, and I think you're totally wrong, but I know you were talking about us so BLEEP YOU YOU BLEEPING BLEEPFACE!")

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Andrea Bargnani: Memo Okur 2.0, with the added bonus that he started a Miami Vice Beard Club with Jose Calderon. Still, I like my starting centers to grab eight rebounds a game. Hell, I'd settle for seven.

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12. Chris Bosh
11. Dirk Nowitzki
Dirk was headed for the finest season of his career until Carl Landry mistakenly tried to eat his right elbow. He hasn't fully bounced back yet. Neither have the Mavs. As for Bosh, I hate All-Star Games because nobody tries for three quarters and the game rarely reaches even 40 percent of its potential. Still, it's a must-watch because the cream of the under-30 crop reveals itself in crunch time, and this year, Bosh was the best power forward or center in that game. Period. He has even handled the fact that everyone in America has made the "Wait, he looks like one of the leads in 'Avatar'!" joke at least once nicely. Still, if Dallas called Toronto and said, "We'll take Bosh off your hands for Dirk, this way you won't lose him for nothing this summer," Toronto grabs that offer in a heartbeat right?
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Old 02-16-2010, 01:40 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Dirk for Bosh straight up?

Dirk is ageing and going down hill.. Bosh is a riseing top 5 player in the league and probably the best PF in the NBA right now.
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Old 02-16-2010, 01:51 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Bosh for Dirk? Then we'd have to trade Andrea for a more traditional low post player... Bosh is all we have down there right now. Not happening.
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Old 02-16-2010, 02:00 PM   #4 (permalink)
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HAHAHAHAHAH

maybe Bosh for Dirk, Butler and Haywood. MAYBE....

Bosh isn't going anywhere. Quote me bitches!
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Old 02-16-2010, 02:10 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Seeing as how Dirk and Nash turned out, I think my proposal circa 2000 of trading VC to Dallas for Dirk+Nash should be re-visited.
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Old 02-16-2010, 02:21 PM   #6 (permalink)
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neverrrrrrrrrr giveeeeee bosh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 02-16-2010, 03:05 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Simmons had nothing to say because Bosh made him eat his words. Simmons was comparing Bosh to Shareef Abdur-Rahim who had great stats on a losing team. With Bosh playing like a top 10 player who lead his team into the playoffs for the 3rd time in four years, Simmons is speechless!!
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Simmons had nothing to say because Bosh made him eat his words. Simmons was comparing Bosh to Shareef Abdur-Rahim who had great stats on a losing team. With Bosh playing like a top 10 player who lead his team into the playoffs for the 3rd time in four years, Simmons is speechless!!
good point - he failed miserably.
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Old 02-16-2010, 03:17 PM   #9 (permalink)
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so which two teams are the least realistic?
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Old 02-16-2010, 03:33 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I got the following from a bill simmons article in 2005:

"20. Chris Bosh The runaway winner of the 2005 Shareef Abdur-Rahim Award, given annually to a tantalizing young star on a losing team who everyone assumes will keep getting better and better, when the reality is that he's close to hitting his ceiling already, and his numbers look so good mainly because he was playing 35-40 minutes a game on a bad team. Remember I told you this when Bosh is making $15 million a year on a 22-win Toronto team five years from now, and he's the subject of 370 trade rumors before the 2009 draft."

ESPN.com: Page 2 : NBA's rank and file

Its nice to go back and see the stupidity some US writers conjure up, especially bill simmons.
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Old 02-16-2010, 03:59 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I got the following from a bill simmons article in 2005:

"20. Chris Bosh The runaway winner of the 2005 Shareef Abdur-Rahim Award, given annually to a tantalizing young star on a losing team who everyone assumes will keep getting better and better, when the reality is that he's close to hitting his ceiling already, and his numbers look so good mainly because he was playing 35-40 minutes a game on a bad team. Remember I told you this when Bosh is making $15 million a year on a 22-win Toronto team five years from now, and he's the subject of 370 trade rumors before the 2009 draft."

ESPN.com: Page 2 : NBA's rank and file

Its nice to go back and see the stupidity some US writers conjure up, especially bill simmons.
nice quote dude
EAT your world Simmons EAT THEM...
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He's pretty much repeated that line of thought every year since. Until now.
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Old 02-16-2010, 05:51 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Why do people always say Bosh is a top 5 player, he clearly isnt.
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Old 02-16-2010, 06:10 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Why do people always say Bosh is a top 5 player, he clearly isnt.
Seriously you dont think?

Kobe
Wade
Lebron
Bosh
Howard

after that...

Melo
Dirk
Paul
Nash

Sometimes i'd even consider putting Melo/Paul ahead of Howard

Top 10 yes, top 5 well thats up for debate.

Takeing into consideration there stats now, and there age
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Old 02-16-2010, 06:56 PM   #15 (permalink)
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You guys miss the point. Simmons' writing isn't predominantly meant to be necessarily true, but to be funny and provocative. Imo he does a great job at that.

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You know how sliders can be better than cheeseburgers sometimes, even though they aren't the same size? Kinda like Paul Millsap and Carlos Boozer, right? The cheeseburger (Boozer) might be bigger and more expensive, but sometimes the slider (Millsap) hits the spot and you don't feel as full afterward.
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Here's a list of 2008-09 incumbents who couldn't crack this season's list or honorable mention: Hedo Turkoglu (No. 39 last year) roped Bryan Colangelo into a $53 million "if this doesn't work out, I'm getting fired, anyway" deal ... (...) Greg Oden (25) was surpassed in fame by his own penis ...
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34. Rudy Gay
If you're my best perimeter guy and can't make 3s, then you better be dropping 24-26 a night easy, and he can't do it. He's headed for Iguodala/Deng/Granger territory -- someone who gets paid like a franchise player but isn't one (a recipe for NBA disaster). If I'm a Knicks fan, my Summer of 2010 Worst-Case Scenario is Amar'e and Rudy. That's taking me to a 6-seed every spring.

(You know what's really sad? Every Knicks fan just said, "A 6-seed every spring? I'll take it!")

Group H. "Cost-Effective Building Blocks"

33. David West
So woefully underpaid ($9.1 million this season, then dropping to $8.2 million next year and finishing at a paltry $7.5 million for the 2011-12 lockout- er, season) that I actually looked up his agent, Lance Young, to see if the guy had been disbarred. Nope. Somehow he reps Chris Paul, Stephen Curry and ... (wait for it) ... Rudy Gay! I take back everything in the previous paragraph about Rudy and the Knicks; maybe they can get him for half-price.
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29. O.J. Mayo
I never thought Mayo would accept his destiny this early: third scoring option, solid 3-point shooter and quality perimeter defender on a winning team. The over/under was the year 2017 ... and I had the over.
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Seriously you dont think?

Kobe
Wade
Lebron
Bosh
Howard

after that...

Melo
Dirk
Paul
Nash

Sometimes i'd even consider putting Melo/Paul ahead of Howard

Top 10 yes, top 5 well thats up for debate.

Takeing into consideration there stats now, and there age
I love CB4, but in no way is he better than MELO, maybe even Durant. I do think he's a top 10 and max deal player tho.
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Well, according to SLAM, CB4 is the 13th best NBA player right now.

SLAM ONLINE | Top 50: Chris Bosh, no. 13<-----From October 2009
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Well, according to SLAM, CB4 is the 13th best NBA player right now.

SLAM ONLINE | Top 50: Chris Bosh, no. 13<-----From October 2009
He is top ten, but hard to argue top 5....
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People may take this the wrong way but I dont' care

BILL SIMMONS IS A BOSTON Jackass. He has no credibility and he speaks nothing but nonsense. He gets his ideas from twitter and he is a waste of time
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Seriously you dont think?

Kobe
Wade
Lebron
Bosh
Howard

after that...

Melo
Dirk
Paul
Nash

Sometimes i'd even consider putting Melo/Paul ahead of Howard

Top 10 yes, top 5 well thats up for debate.

Takeing into consideration there stats now, and there age
My top ten would be
James
Kobe
Wade
Paul
Durant
Bosh
Melo
Dirk
Rose
Nash

Frankly don't think Howard is a top ten player other than good to great defense too many flaws
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