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Old 01-20-2011, 04:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Andrea Bargnani: Averaging 21.7 points and 5.8 rebounds a game. Giving up 48.3 points and 20.7 rebounds on the other end. (All numbers approximate.)
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Old 01-20-2011, 04:48 PM   #2 (permalink)
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They should do this with Jose as well
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Bargs is only one player. And those numbers are not just from the starting center. It's from the backup as well, which isn't really that bad.
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Old 01-20-2011, 04:49 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Old 01-20-2011, 04:50 PM   #5 (permalink)
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approximates aren't accurate. Sounds like he's trying to get attention.
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Old 01-20-2011, 04:51 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Sounds about right.
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Old 01-20-2011, 06:26 PM   #7 (permalink)
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no stats here ... just a bullshit statement
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Old 01-20-2011, 06:35 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Oh well. At least he's helping Operation Tank.
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Old 01-20-2011, 06:37 PM   #9 (permalink)
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it's bill simmons guys. he is essentially a sports comedian. especially with statements like "all numbers approximate". it was a joke.
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Yeah they should - because you might have to admit that he's shown much improvement
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This piece also says that Bosh is a lock for the reserves.
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well i dont like the fact half our opponents points are coming from that position
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Old 01-20-2011, 06:54 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Lol as much as people may wanna think its utter bullshit, Bargs plays no D and doesn't rebound, so its likely pretty close to being right.
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Old 01-20-2011, 06:55 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Yeah they should - because you might have to admit that he's shown much improvement
much improvement, yeah right
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Old 01-20-2011, 07:02 PM   #15 (permalink)
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It's pretty clear to the naked eye, that his offense has to be on, or the team stands no chance. Sometimes that is on the entire team sucking. Sometimes it is just due to more talent showing through from the opposing team. But there are a good number of games where the team succeeds, or at least competes, when he is off the floor, and just withers when he is on the floor.

Now when his offense is working for him, it often raises his defensive game. At least in the early part of every season. It's going to be interesting to see if he stays true to form, and drags his ass through the second half of another season. If so - then the comment from Simmons will be pretty dead-on statistically.
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you guys should look at the context of the obvious joke:

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Q: Can you defend the statement "four of the seven East reserves should be Celtics" without sounding like a total homer?

A: There are five locks for the reserves: Kevin Garnett (best player on the best team in the East), Paul Pierce (his most efficient season: 19.0 ppg, 51 percent FG, 41 percent 3FG, 86 percent FT), Rajon Rondo (his best season, even if Rose leapfrogged him); Chris Bosh (terrible November, really good since); and Al Horford (the most consistent Hawk -- he gets Joakim Noah's spot). The candidates for the last two spots:

Raymond Felton: Had the 11th spot locked until his post-holiday shooting swoon (just 36 percent FG) coincided with New York's semi-swoon (4-7 since Dec. 28). Still, after all the fuss about the Knicks blowing that Brandon Jennings pick and the LeBron/Wade chase, they stumbled into a borderline All-Star who costs one-third of Joe Johnson and is playing better than Jennings. Funny how life works out.

Joe Johnson: Started miserably (November: 40 percent FG, 25 percent 3FG), missed nine games, then bounced back in January (27.6 ppg) for a quality Hawks team. This would be a reputation pick. Like when you start watching an Ed Norton movie you've never heard of on cable just because Ed Norton was starring in it. And if Ed Norton was making $120 million to be in the movie.

Ray Allen: Averaging 18 a game, flirting with a 50-50-90 season (52 percent FG, 48 percent 3FG and 88 percent FT) and supplying his usual potpourri of testicularly ample crunch-time shots (including three in Monday's nail-biter victory over Orlando, then the winner Wednesday against Detroit). And he's played every game. And he's a future Hall of Famer. And he made it through the entire year without blaming someone for hacking his Twitter account.

Andrea Bargnani: Averaging 21.7 points and 5.8 rebounds a game. Giving up 48.3 points and 20.7 rebounds on the other end. (All numbers approximate.)

Danny Granger: He leaves me cold.

Andrew Bogut: I can't vote for a non-playoff center shooting 48 percent from the field and 42 percent from the line, no matter how fun his Twitter account is. Sorry. Unrelated: What's weirder -- that two former All-Stars (Bogut and David Lee) had their careers indefinitely derailed by freak elbow injuries, or that five Blazers have had knee surgeries in the past three months?

Andray Blatche's parole officer: His best season ever.

Anthony Randolph: Coming on like a freight train for the Knicks. At the very least, we're seeing the guy everyone believed would someday be an All-Star.

(Note: The Knicks paid me $3 million and traded me their 2014 No. 2 pick to write that last paragraph. I knew you'd understand.)

Mike Miller: Notched 15 points and 28 rebounds as Miami's fourth wheel. (Squinting.) Whoops, those are his totals for the season. Sorry about that.

As you can see, Felton and either Allen or Johnson are the best two options. Our non-MJ model for shooting guards aging gracefully was Reggie Miller: 18.9 ppg, 44 percent FG, 36 percent 3FG and 93 percent FT at age 35 (the 2000-01 season). Allen is killing that season: fourth in 3-pointers made, fourth in 3-point field goal percentage and eighth in true shooting percentage despite a comically low usage rate (Boston involves Allen in just 18.8 percent of its possessions when he plays, placing him 28th among all shooting guards behind Rudy Fernandez).

Yet he's Boston's best crunch-time guy, takes/makes more crunch-time shots than anyone else and operates as Boston's cooler in the final 30 seconds (the guy who shoots every big free throw when you're protecting a lead and the other team is fouling). Translation: He doesn't need the ball for three quarters (so everyone else can get involved), but when you need him, he will come through more often than not. That makes him an NBA version of a baseball closer like Mariano Rivera. Really, there's nobody else quite like him. He's Reggie Miller 2.0. Would the best All-Star Game in 24 years be more memorable with Reggie Miller 2.0 or an overpaid Joe Johnson during an off year? You tell me.
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He's a candidate. There's no doubting that. I think the joke is on Bargnani in that Simmons makes it extremely clear why he doesn't qualify beyond remote consideration.
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Old 01-20-2011, 09:19 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Old 01-20-2011, 09:27 PM   #19 (permalink)
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it's clearly serious.....

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Andray Blatche's parole officer: His best season ever.
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Anthony Randolph: Coming on like a freight train for the Knicks. At the very least, we're seeing the guy everyone believed would someday be an All-Star.

(Note: The Knicks paid me $3 million and traded me their 2014 No. 2 pick to write that last paragraph. I knew you'd understand.)
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Old 01-21-2011, 12:39 AM   #20 (permalink)
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This is typical Simmons and it is entertaining - but not factual, informative, or insightful. Of course Bargs' defense leaves much to be desired, we all know that. But the All-Star game doesn't value defense - which is why I think Bargs will be legitimately considered, and why he's not just a 'remote consideration.'
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