Which big(s) will be moved?
Old 05-03-2012, 05:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Bryan Colangelo and the Toronto Raptors are heading into one of the biggest off seasons in franchise history. One of Colangelo's biggest tasks this off-season will be to address the overflow of frontcourt players that the Dinos currently possess. The HQ's Scott Campsall takes a look at which players will be most likely to be moved this off-season.

With the Lithuanian center Jonas Valanciunas due to arrive in Toronto next season, the Raptors’ frontcourt is suddenly looking a little overcrowded. The Dinos will have Andrea Bargnani, Amir Johnson, Ed Davis and James Johnson in addition to Valanciunas all under contract and all vying for minutes at either the four of five positions next season.

It doesn’t take a mathematician to figure out that there will not be enough minutes to go around for all of those players, not in Toronto anyway.

This then begs the question: which of these players will still be in a Raptors’ uniform come next season? The question isn’t nearly as easy to answer as it probably should be.

You would have to guess that given the hype around Jonas Valanciunas and everything that Colangelo and Casey have been saying about the seven foot Lithuanian, he would be the untouchable in that particular group of players—and the entire team for the matter.

It would also seem as though Amir Johnson is a pretty safe bet to remain on the roster in light of his inconsistent play this season and the fact that his price tag makes him a more difficult player to move then Ed Davis or James Johnson.

James Johnson’s ability to play multiple positions, and defend multiple positions makes him an asset to this team going forward. The fact that he can play that wing position, which is an area of need for the Dinos, makes him more valuable to the club as a player on their roster than as a potential trade piece. Although, if the right deal came along I doubt Colangelo would hesitate to move him.

That leaves two forwards: Ed Davis and Andrea Bargnani.

The logical move here is to trade Bargnani right? His value is sure to be at an all-time high as he is coming off of a season in which he finally showed flashes of All-Star talent. At worst he is seven-footer with one elite skill—he can score—and frankly, a change of scenery could do a player like Bargnani some good.

From a Raptors’ perspective, they would get an opportunity to rid themselves of one of the biggest enigma’s in franchise history, while also presumably adding some decent pieces in the process. They would be improving their defense by virtue of simply removing his sub-par play on the end of the floor from their everyday lineup. In addition, they would have the opportunity to add Ed Davis into that starting lineup where, at the very least, he would add some more rebounding and defense to a front line that could end up being one of the best in the Eastern Conference in a couple of years if given the right opportunity to grow and develop together.

But, as we all know, that isn’t the most likely of scenarios. While Colangelo has admitted recently that he would be open to moving Bargnani if the right deal were to fall into place, the likelihood of him actually trading the man he selected with the first overall pick in 2006 is quite slim.
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Old 05-03-2012, 05:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I just can't see them moving Bargs. They struggle to score enough as it is and I, perhaps pessimistically, can't foresee them getting great value for him. If you can find a taker for Amir do it, or try to trade ED for an intriguing young wing.
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Old 05-03-2012, 05:49 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I'm still curious to see if we can package our pick and Ed to move up a few spots. Or even to grab a proven talent.
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Old 05-03-2012, 05:51 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I'm still curious to see if we can package our pick and Ed to move up a few spots. Or even to grab a proven talent.
I'd be curious as well. I would love to see what ED/pick or even Derozan/Pick would fetch.
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If GS wins the lotto, they're in a situation where they don't need Anthony Davis per se, but do you think they would take Bargs, DD, our 1st and out next year's first with top 3 protection for him?
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Old 05-03-2012, 06:18 PM   #6 (permalink)
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If GS wins the lotto, they're in a situation where they don't need Anthony Davis per se, but do you think they would take Bargs, DD, our 1st and out next year's first with top 3 protection for him?
So you would give up Bargs/DD/Lamb?/2013 1st for Davis? Did someone spike your KoolAid?
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Old 05-03-2012, 06:19 PM   #7 (permalink)
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It seems obvious that Ed Davis has to go if Amir can't be moved. James Johnson is more versatile and Ed just doesn't do significantly more than Amir can provide. Gray will likely be back because Casey wants him to start. Ed just isn't good enough to be a starter but his value should still be decent... he can be a very serviceable player off some team's bench in need of an athletic young big.
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So you would give up Bargs/DD/Lamb?/2013 1st for Davis? Did someone spike your KoolAid?
I think that's too much... Davis is still a prospect.... geebuz
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Old 05-03-2012, 06:22 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Has anyone ever traded the first overall pick away? Lol
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I think that's too much... Davis is still a prospect.... geebuz
I know, lets gut our roster for a Big who's played one year in College.
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So you would give up Bargs/DD/Lamb?/2013 1st for Davis? Did someone spike your KoolAid?
Those players match up with Lee and Klay, two positions they don't need anyway. I think that's a bad deal fro both teams.
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If GS wins the lotto, they're in a situation where they don't need Anthony Davis per se, but do you think they would take Bargs, DD, our 1st and out next year's first with top 3 protection for him?
If we do something that stupid we might as well package BC with this deal
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Ed Davis is the easiest to move and some team will gladly deal for him. His injury + the lockout certainly didn't help him. His contract is friendlier than Amir's and he's younger. However, another reason why Amir is a better fit as that he can play both PF and C.
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So you would give up Bargs/DD/Lamb?/2013 1st for Davis? Did someone spike your KoolAid?
+1 Can I get some of that Koolaid?
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So, Amir Johnson is hard to move? I doubt that very much...
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So, Amir Johnson is hard to move? I doubt that very much...
So do i
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I'd deal Andrea. Not because I don't think he's a good player. I actually think offensively, when he's engaged he's a good player on the court.

However, I think he could be the piece that lets us acquire a difference maker (or a significant upgrade) at the SF position. While Ed, could be moved, I just don't see his value being as high. Plus, you have an able replacement in Amir at PF on an even friendlier contract and Ed in my view, still has potential to be a very good player (has the kid had a full training camp yet?)

Amir would be next on that list and could be a valuable piece on an uptempo team (where I think he thrives the most).
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What I mean is it's harder to move Amir than it is to move ED.
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Huzzah, I'm stupid!
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I liked the idea enough. Complaints of gutting the roster make me wonder what roster they're talking about.
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