Which big men will become the best pros?
Old 06-21-2008, 10:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Who are the best big men in this years draft?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft...ftRater-080620

They rate Robin Lopez as "Rif Raf" below the fringe first rounder.In other words a second rounder? WTF

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Old 06-21-2008, 10:40 PM   #2 (permalink)
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1. Michael Beasley
2. Anthony Randolph
3. Brooks Lopez
4. Kevin Love
5. DeAndre Jordan
6. Darrell Arthur
7. Marreese Speights
8. Kosta Koufos
9. JaVale McGee
10. Roy Hibbert

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Old 06-21-2008, 10:47 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Anthony Randolph, LSU, 9.85

Yes, this is true. Seen in many quarters as a high lottery pick, Randolph has virtually nothing in his statistical record to justify such a lofty selection.

In particular, his woeful ball-handling numbers are a major red flag. Randolph had more turnovers than any prospect except Beasley and Thompson, but those two players had every play run through them; I'm still waiting to find out Randolph's excuse.

Additionally, his 49.9 true shooting percentage is alarmingly bad for a guy who is supposed to dominate athletically.

He can block shots, and the fact his team was such a mess probably didn't help his numbers any, but gambling on Randolph with a high first-round pick looks like the basketball equivalent of hitting on 19 in blackjack. Hey, maybe the dealer throws out a 2 and everyone thinks you're a genius, but chances are you're going to bust.

It appears he's going to be drafted in the middle of the first round at worst, but even that appears to be a terrible mistake -- there is no track record whatsoever of a player rated this poorly achieving pro success.
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This is the one which caused my jaw to drop. Almost every mock draft I've seen over the past month has had him top ten. I don't put a lot of weight into Hollinger's PER stats but still, he does raise questions about Randolph's game. I'm glad the Raptors aren't working him out which means he probably isn't on their board.

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Old 06-22-2008, 09:13 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Why aren't more people talking about Robin Lopez? He reminds me of a less refined version of Rasho on the offensive end but he will snag a ton of boards, swats some shots and give you a ton of energy.
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People aren't speaking about Robin Lopez because he doesn't bring the sexiness on the offensive end.

In today's NBA, to be seen as successful, it seems that you have to be more of an offensive star than a defensive star, which is pretty sad. That's o.k. I can see him being a very serviceable big man in this league.
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Why aren't more people talking about Robin Lopez? He reminds me of a less refined version of Rasho on the offensive end but he will snag a ton of boards, swats some shots and give you a ton of energy.
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People aren't speaking about Robin Lopez because he doesn't bring the sexiness on the offensive end.

In today's NBA, to be seen as successful, it seems that you have to be more of an offensive star than a defensive star, which is pretty sad. That's o.k. I can see him being a very serviceable big man in this league.
Exactly ..... for many fans that might not follow the game inside and out like most of us do, they measure the quality of a player by how many points they score. Not the other things that they can bring to the team.

I like Lopez myself, but I'll be honest with you I don't know much about him other than what I've read and the one game that I saw him play with Stanford.
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People aren't speaking about Robin Lopez because he doesn't bring the sexiness on the offensive end.

In today's NBA, to be seen as successful, it seems that you have to be more of an offensive star than a defensive star, which is pretty sad. That's o.k. I can see him being a very serviceable big man in this league.

Yeah but this guy can rebound and as long as he's in the right places (All about positioning) he can get his points on put backs and can always get better as a shooter/at the line. If he ends a 15PPG/7-8RPG guy than i have no problem in picking him.And i believe he can be that player.And i prefer him over hibbert.

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Oh Jeff, I'm a huge supporter of Robin Lopez. Check the draft thread

I'm just speaking generally. Too many people put an emphasis on offensive prowess rather than defensive prowess.
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Yeah but this guy can rebound and as long as he's in the right places (All about positioning) he can get his points on put backs and can always get better as a shooter/at the line. If he ends a 15PPG/7-8RPG guy than i have no problem in picking him.And i believe he can be that player.And i prefer him over hibbert.
I'd be happy with 10/9 and good defense... honestly that's all we really need beside a player like Bosh. I'd be more than happy to see Bargs fail if Lopez ends up our C as a 10/9 tough guy.
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Yeah but this guy can rebound and as long as he's in the right places (All about positioning) he can get his points on put backs and can always get better as a shooter/at the line. If he ends a 15PPG/7-8RPG guy than i have no problem in picking him.And i believe he can be that player.And i prefer him over hibbert.
I think lopez is the kind of guy who will average 5ppg and 9 rbg, it's impossible for him to score 15 pts on average ...
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Yeah, agree. He's only going to get junk baskets.
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The only player in the NBA that averages near 5+9 is Jeff Foster. Its just a weird combination. I think Lopez either becomes a fringe starter a la Rasho and Oberto of the Spurs type C(5+5), or hes a complete scrub and is like Jarron Collins. Not much in between IMO.
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I guess Roy Hibbert is having tremendous workouts - nbadraft.net has him slotted suddenly at 12 to the Kings. Wow!
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I guess Roy Hibbert is having tremendous workouts - nbadraft.net has him slotted suddenly at 12 to the Kings. Wow!

I don't know he looks awfully slow to me.
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I guess Roy Hibbert is having tremendous workouts - nbadraft.net has him slotted suddenly at 12 to the Kings. Wow!
They also still have Batum going 17.

In other words, it's not entirely legitimate at this point.

DraftExpress still has him at 23, which seems abotu right. They have Ajinca as the big man shooting up draft boards though, coming in at 13.

Lopez is poorly rated on lists like these because there is little to no chance of him ever becoming a 15+ ppg scorer, where as all of the other guys have SOME offensive potential.

Outside of the obvious top 2 (Beasley and Love), I really like Speights. His production last year at Florida was pretty outrageous, especially when you consider his usage and efficiency stats.
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I really believe in Koufos abilities. I had the chance to watch him at a tournament in Europe and I think that if he work hard he has a bright future.Both Olympiacos and Panathinaikos wanted to sign him but he prefered the NBA. He's gonna be a good addition to Team Greece though.
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