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Old 01-06-2011, 07:02 PM   #161 (permalink)
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Bibby has other ball handlers and distributors on his team:

Joe Johnson averages 5.5apg
Jamal Crawford averages nearly 4apg

If he was here he would have to distribute more because we don't have anyone who can average 5apg, not yet at least in Bayless's case.

If you look at his career he can be the main distributor and for his career is a 15/6 PG.
keep in mind his career numbers include his prime years, which are long gone... just a note of caution.
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The funny thing about this is everyone here talks about Jose's impecable knack for taking care of the ball yet he's averaged less mpg this season and averages more TO's. IMO Bibby/Calderon is almost a wash. Both are very good shooters, both take care of the ball, both suck on defense. Jose averages more assists but the salary issue is what makes this a decent move imo. At this point though, i don't think this is gonna happen so it doesn't matter.

He's actually playing more minutes per game than last year (27.9 vs. 26.7)and averaging 0.36 to's per game more. Wow, that third of a turnover per game is a real backbreaker, eh?
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keep in mind his career numbers include his prime years, which are long gone... just a note of caution.
Obviously, but he still plays with more distributors on his team then we have. Take away Johnsons 5.5apg or Crawford nearly 4apg and He'd probably be around 6+ per.
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He's actually playing more minutes per game than last year (27.9 vs. 26.7)and averaging 0.36 to's per game more. Wow, that third of a turnover per game is a real backbreaker, eh?
Bibby 29mpg (1.4TO's)

Jose 27mpg (2TO's)


Now obviously there are different factors at play, namely Jose has the ball in his hands more then Bibby since Bibby has more distributors on his team then Jose does, but still.
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Bibby 29mpg (1.4TO's)

Jose 27mpg (2TO's)


Now obviously there are different factors at play, namely Jose has the ball in his hands more then Bibby since Bibby has more distributors on his team then Jose does, but still.
shame on you for thinking that is apples to apples at all.
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Bibby has other ball handlers and distributors on his team:

Joe Johnson averages 5.5apg
Jamal Crawford averages nearly 4apg

If he was here he would have to distribute more because we don't have anyone who can average 5apg, not yet at least in Bayless's case.

If you look at his career he can be the main distributor and for his career is a 15/6 PG.
I guess, but that's a giant leap of faith the guys ability. Especially at 32 years old. He's definitely not the player that he was in Vancouver, or even Sacramento.
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My bad I thought you were comparing Jose this season to last season, but really 0.6 to's per game...talk about splitting hairs.
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I guess, but that's a giant leap of faith the guys ability. Especially at 32 years old. He's definitely not the player that he was in Vancouver, or even Sacramento.
Oh i don't know 47 FG%, 48 3PT% is pretty good. He's not quite as good as Calderon as a distrubutor although that would likely go up here but as a shooter/defender it's a wash. For me it's about $$$ more then anything because Bibby isn't as bad as some here think.
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My bad I thought you were comparing Jose this season to last season, but really 0.6 to's per game...talking about splitting hairs.
All i'm saying is they both take care of the ball since that seems to be what many point to when discussing Jose. Just saying.
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I would say Bibby sucks at defense more right now than Jose does. I could be wrong, and it could be a wash there, but I suspect we would see any gains made defensively this season drop off a cliff with Bibby in tow.
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Sell at all cost?





As for that summer deal, it didn't go through because MJ realized what a stupid move it would have been. Nobody thought in anyway that deal was beneficial for Charlotte. They were gonna get hosed and they realized it before it was too late.
But MJ got hosed anyways by Dallas so I don't really get your point in that regard...

I do want Jose gone too, but there is a worry that if he continues to play like he is now then we trade him for lesser talent & then we get hosed!
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But MJ got hosed anyways by Dallas so I don't really get your point in that regard...

I do want Jose gone too, but there is a worry that if he continues to play like he is now then we trade him for lesser talent & then we get hosed!
MJ is stupid as a GM. Both deals were horrid, and he chose the worse of the deals......quelle surprise. As for us getting hosed, how so? Where have we gone with Jose and honestly, realistically where are we going with him going forward? He's in the bottom 3rd in the league talent wise and is paid like a top 10 PG. If we can gain even more flexibilty and get a decent prospect and pick for him i'd be happy.
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Old 01-06-2011, 11:04 PM   #174 (permalink)
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It just comes down to sell high while you can or keep him and hope he stays somewhat healthy and that his play doesn't drop off. I'm of the mindset of sell high if there's finally some interest in him, IF the right deal is available of course. For me the right deal means at least getting a better contract (Capspace) in return and hopefully a draft pick.
Trading Jose for Bibby is "selling high"? Bibby is a far worse PG then Jose is.

I'd much rather keep Jose and let him play out his contract and hope he stays healthy then make that trade.
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Trading Jose for Bibby is "selling high"? Bibby is a far worse PG then Jose is.

I'd much rather keep Jose and let him play out his contract and hope he stays healthy then make that trade.
Far worse? < ----- Insert facepalm here

Yes that's pretty much selling high considering his bloated salary, injury woes and what he's given us the last two years. Saving 14Mil over the next 2yrs sounds fine by me.
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Far worse? < ----- Insert facepalm here

Yes that's pretty much selling high considering his bloated salary, injury woes and what he's given us the last two years. Saving 14Mil over the next 2yrs sounds fine by me.
We have more then enough cap space already. Why does it matter what he gave us the last 2 seasons? The team was dramatically different back then. I'd must rather keep Jose because he's clicking right now and he has a great chemistry with the player.

As far as Bibby goes he is a far worse pure PG. He can't run the offense nearly as well as Jose.

As a fan I especially don't want Jose to be traded because when he was out the Raptors were almost unwatchable. They couldn't barely get anything going on offense and usually ended up with a high amount of TOs.
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We have more then enough cap space already. Why does it matter what he gave us the last 2 seasons? The team was dramatically different back then. I'd must rather keep Jose because he's clicking right now and he has a great chemistry with the player.

As far as Bibby goes he is a far worse pure PG. He can't run the offense nearly as well as Jose.

As a fan I especially don't want Jose to be traded because when he was out the Raptors were almost unwatchable. They couldn't barely get anything going on offense and usually ended up with a high amount of TOs.
Well you'd be in luck then, b/c Bibby turns the ball over less the Jose.

And the last 2yrs means alot. He's had injury issues and has played poorly. Sorry but GM's aren't raptor fans basing a trade on his last 20 games. to take on an overpriced player many things are factored.

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If we are going to trade him IMO we need to get a C back in return or a first round pick and a scrub. I don't want a washed up Bibby. Anyways, the PG situation shouldn't be tried to fixed through a trade, we should be drafting one.

BTW I don't care if Bibby makes less turnovers then Calderon, with him running the show the overall offense would be turning the ball over far more.

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If we are going to trade him IMO we need to get a C back in return or a first round pick and a scrub. I don't want a washed up Bibby.
Both can't play D
Both shoot the ball very well
Both take care of the ball very well
Jose is a better distributor
Bibby is more durable
Bibby is alot cheaper
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Both can't play D
Both shoot the ball very well
Both take care of the ball very well
Jose is a better distributor
Bibby is more durable
Bibby is alot cheaper
You're under valuing his passing skills. He's one of the best distributing PGs in the league.

Either way like I said in my above post we shouldn't trade for a old PG, we should draft one. The upcoming draft has a couple good PGs. Irving, Knights, Walkers, Joseph (if he comes out) and Selby to name a few.

If we trade Jose it should be for a great defensive big or a draft pick.
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