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Old 01-06-2011, 11:53 AM   #101 (permalink)
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Guys, what games are you watching? Yes, Amir gets some put-backs, but how could you possibly miss those beautiful pick-and-rolls (yes, Amir actually rolls to the basket as opposed to Bosh's normal "popping" ) Jose is running with Amir at least 2-3 times each game?! If I were Ed Davis, I'd pay close attention - those passes are money!
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Old 01-06-2011, 11:55 AM   #102 (permalink)
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Sure. But where is it getting us. Is he gonna be here in 2.5 years after his contract ends? If not and his stock is on the rise, what do wait for especially considering his inkjury woes. Eveytime I watch Calderon he's usually predictable and I find him to be somewhat uncreative and robotic, almost as if everything he does is choreographed and he hates to deveate. JMHO
alot of good basketball is actually running the system... meaning practice and repetition means everything. Utah Jazz anyone?

Not every player is going to be a freak athletic stud... in fact, very few are.

Why couldn't Jose be here after this contract on a cheaper one as a backup?
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cap space, shmap space.
Seriously, i'd like to be shown that it actually means something with this team.

Money has been poorly spent left, right and center. Sorry if the idea of cap space doesn't get me all excited.

No to Bibby.
Agreed & for me I would like to see how Jose plays when healthy till we get to the trade deadline, if he puts 8+assist per game then u keep him IMO
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Old 01-06-2011, 12:25 PM   #104 (permalink)
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Agreed & for me I would like to see how Jose plays when healthy till we get to the trade deadline, if he puts 8+assist per game then u keep him IMO
Jose plays very well, when healthy, we know that already, and he is the ultimate team-first guy, we know that too. The only real problem with Jose Calderon is staying healthy.
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Old 01-06-2011, 12:26 PM   #105 (permalink)
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if Jose plays out this contract, then call me crazy but i totally see him signing here for less pay to be a backup/depth player. The guy is the definition of team first and i firmly believes he would rather stay here than jump ship to another team for a few years.
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Jose plays very well, when healthy, we know that already, and he is the ultimate team-first guy, we know that too. The only real problem with Jose Calderon is staying healthy.
Hardly. He doesn't assert himself offensively, or when deferring(although he's getting a bit more aggressive passing) and he's not good defensively. His impact on the game (other than games like last night) is almost negligible if you consider what opposing guards do against him.

He's a great team first guy who plays it safe and says the right things so everyone loves him but without guys to carry the team he can defer to he's not worth the money we're paying.
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Jose plays very well, when healthy, we know that already, and he is the ultimate team-first guy, we know that too. The only real problem with Jose Calderon is staying healthy.
my biggest fear for him where those lingering hamstring strains and tears. Those are a real bitch to come back from because the risk of reagrivating is so big and that seems to be a thing of the past. Now correct me if i'm wrong, but the recent injury bug hit is something totally unrelated, is it not?

If so, i am really not that concerned about his health.
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my biggest fear for him where those lingering hamstring strains and tears. Those are a real bitch to come back from because the risk of reagrivating is so big and that seems to be a thing of the past. Now correct me if i'm wrong, but the recent injury bug hit is something totally unrelated, is it not?

If so, i am really not that concerned about his health.
His recent problems have to do with the sore right foot and so are of a completely different nature.
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Hardly. He doesn't assert himself offensively, or when deferring(although he's getting a bit more aggressive passing) and he's not good defensively. His impact on the game (other than games like last night) is almost negligible if you consider what opposing guards do against him.

He's a great team first guy who plays it safe and says the right things so everyone loves him but without guys to carry the team he can defer to he's not worth the money we're paying.
Jose is a more than adequate defender when the whole team decides to play defence. He works very well within the structure of the team's offence, never disrupting the flow and always looking to feed the hot hand, if any is available, while taking his own shots when the situation warrants it. Forgetting his salary for a second and acknowledging that he could be a bit more aggressive with his shot at times, what more do you want from him?
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Jose is a more than adequate defender when the whole team decides to play defence. He works very well within the structure of the team's offence, never disrupting the flow and always looking to feed the hot hand, if any is available, while taking his own shots when the situation warrants it. Forgetting his salary for a second and acknowledging that he could be a bit more aggressive with his shot at times, what more do you want from him?
I have never and still don't feel he's a good fit for this team. We need a hard nosed defender willing to assert himself offensively when needed, capable of breaking down the opposing team's defense to kick it out to an open man or finish.

Jose isn't this guy, never has been this guy and I'm quite certain never will be this guy. If he was making 4mill it might be swallowable, particularly off the bench, but not at 8mill.

So to answer your question I don't want anything more from him, except value in return from a trade.
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I have never and still don't feel he's a good fit for this team. We need a hard nosed defender willing to assert himself offensively when needed, capable of breaking down the opposing team's defense to kick it out to an open man or finish.

Jose isn't this guy, never has been this guy and I'm quite certain never will be this guy. If he was making 4mill it might be swallowable, particularly off the bench, but not at 8mill.

So to answer your question I don't want anything more from him, except value in return from a trade.
I see. Well, you are looking for a different type of a point guard, to be sure. Considering those don't exactly grow on trees, I will choose to stick with Jose until we actually get a worthy replacement.
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Jose is a more than adequate defender when the whole team decides to play defence. He works very well within the structure of the team's offence, never disrupting the flow and always looking to feed the hot hand, if any is available, while taking his own shots when the situation warrants it. Forgetting his salary for a second and acknowledging that he could be a bit more aggressive with his shot at times, what more do you want from him?
So, let's ignore that he's overpayed, he's no aggressive, plays safe, and we haven't even mentioned his D which is still pretty bad and his health which is fragile at best. For me it's just time to move on from him and imo he needs the change as well.
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I see. Well, you are looking for a different type of a point guard, to be sure. Considering those don't exactly grow on trees, I will choose to stick with Jose until we actually get a worthy replacement.
Bayless is that kind of point guard...he needs to develop and it's no guarentee he'll become a star, but he's made of the right stuff. It might be a good idea to move Jose and throw Jerryd into the fire. This season is about growth anyways.
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Bayless is that kind of point guard...he needs to develop and it's no guarentee he'll become a star, but he's made of the right stuff. It might be a good idea to move Jose and throw Jerryd into the fire. This season is about growth anyways.
I, personally, believe you think a bit too much of Bayless and his potential, but that's debatable. Rondo and Westbrook are your kind of guards, though.
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I've actually been really impressed with Jose this season. He's looked to push the ball more than ever in the past. His commitment to being active and playing aggressive d has been great...he kept Sessions in front of the whole game yesterday. I like what I've seen from him and like Mike said, sexy point guards like Westbrook, Rondo, Rose et al don't grow on trees.
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It just comes down to sell high while you can or keep him and hope he stays somewhat healthy and that his play doesn't drop off. I'm of the mindset of sell high if there's finally some interest in him, IF the right deal is available of course. For me the right deal means at least getting a better contract (Capspace) in return and hopefully a draft pick.
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i'm of the opinion that you make any trade that improves the team, but the point guard position really isn't one that i feel needs upgrading now or much in the future.
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It just comes down to sell high while you can or keep him and hope he stays somewhat healthy and that his play doesn't drop off. I'm of the mindset of sell high if there's finally some interest in him, IF the right deal is available of course. For me the right deal means at least getting a better contract (Capspace) in return and hopefully a draft pick.
Are you planning on getting back a serviceable PG? And if not, do you realize that the season is going to be pretty much over right then and there, which might or might not be a bad thing for the long haul, but would undoubtedly sit pretty badly with the coaching staff and the players?
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I loved how Jose shot the ball last night, or maybe I should say - took shots last night. If he had played like that last season it would have been a huge boon. I have no problem with a trade, but Bibby would just be ugly. If there is anything in the works, I would guess it goes way beyond Bibby coming here.
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Are you planning on getting back a serviceable PG? And if not, do you realize that the season is going to be pretty much over right then and there, which might or might not be a bad thing for the long haul, but would undoubtedly sit pretty badly with the coaching staff and the players?
This year is fucked anyway. And we'd get Bibby in this deal who isn't great but getting him means more future flexibility. And imo the PG position needs to be addressed sooner rather then later and getting a shorter contract at that position like Bibby might help. Maybe you wait until the summer and deal Jose for a Center and try and upgrade the PG spot through the draft, or FA or another trade.
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