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Old 01-06-2011, 11:48 PM   #181 (permalink)
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You're under valuing his passing skills. He's one of the best distributing PGs in the league.

Either way like I said in my above post we shouldn't trade for a old PG, we should draft one. The upcoming draft has a couple good PGs. Irving, Knights, Walkers, Joseph (if he comes out) and Selby to name a few.

If we trade Jose it should be for a great defensive big or a draft pick.
His passing is a little overrated around here imo. He's a good passer i agree, but one of the best in the league? I disagree, but whatever. He is maybe the 20th best starting PG in the league imo.
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Old 01-07-2011, 12:55 AM   #182 (permalink)
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I don't know if I'd take Bibby. This trade seems a little off to me :S
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His passing is a little overrated around here imo. He's a good passer i agree, but one of the best in the league? I disagree, but whatever. He is maybe the 20th best starting PG in the league imo.
Ok, please, for the love of god, tell me how you're assessing that his passing is overrated?

Last time I looked, he has no problems making the entry pass into the post, he finds cutters with ease, he can, when healthy, drive and kick to the open man in the corners and has become a pretty good alley oop passer.

The ONLY thing I'd say Jose struggles with in terms of passing is passing on the run (i.e. the run-n-gun thing) but he's not bad there.

He makes the easy pass 90% of the time. Yes, it's not the risky, flashy stuff, but talk to anyone who has played the PG position in their life and they'll tell you that Jose makes the right decisions always.
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Old 01-07-2011, 10:01 AM   #184 (permalink)
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Ok, please, for the love of god, tell me how you're assessing that his passing is overrated?

Last time I looked, he has no problems making the entry pass into the post, he finds cutters with ease, he can, when healthy, drive and kick to the open man in the corners and has become a pretty good alley oop passer.

The ONLY thing I'd say Jose struggles with in terms of passing is passing on the run (i.e. the run-n-gun thing) but he's not bad there.

He makes the easy pass 90% of the time. Yes, it's not the risky, flashy stuff, but talk to anyone who has played the PG position in their life and they'll tell you that Jose makes the right decisions always.
You basically just answered your own question. Ninety percent of his passes are easy and safe, and he struggles with passing on the fly at times. I didn't say he was a bad passer, in fact I said he was a good passer, just not a great one like it's perceived here. Jose needs to keep things simple most of the time or he starts making the wrong decisions. A coule games this season he turned the ball over several times when he tried to do too much, especially when he tries to penetrate and leaves his feet and tries to make a pass.
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You basically just answered your own question. Ninety percent of his passes are easy and safe, and he struggles with passing on the fly at times. I didn't say he was a bad passer, in fact I said he was a good passer, just not a great one like it's perceived here. Jose needs to keep things simple most of the time or he starts making the wrong decisions. A coule games this season he turned the ball over several times when he tried to do too much, especially when he tries to penetrate and leaves his feet and tries to make a pass.
So how is that a fucking bad thing?

How is the overrated? He's doing his fucking job?

Every fucking PG in the league turns the ball over when they leave their feet and do too much. How is Jose any different?

The worst, the worst part of Jose's game isn't his offense. It will always be his defense.

However, match him up with a stud 2 guard or 3 and I don't think ANYONE would complain about Jose. He does what he's supposed to do. How that is 'overrated' is beyond me.

But I forgot, being awesome and flashy, is what makes a GREAT fucking passer.
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He's been over-rated in this thread by being called one of the best distributing point guards in the league. He's been over-rated by all the all-star talk of two years ago.

Point is he's never put together an entire season as a starting point guard, nor has he won anything. He doesn't put up great numbers, doesn't defend well and doesn't assert himself offensively. Kinda sounds like Chris Duhon, and yet we're hyping as if he's a lot more=over-rated.
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So how is that a fucking bad thing?

How is the overrated? He's doing his fucking job?

Every fucking PG in the league turns the ball over when they leave their feet and do too much. How is Jose any different?

The worst, the worst part of Jose's game isn't his offense. It will always be his defense.

However, match him up with a stud 2 guard or 3 and I don't think ANYONE would complain about Jose. He does what he's supposed to do. How that is 'overrated' is beyond me.

But I forgot, being awesome and flashy, is what makes a GREAT fucking passer.
I think his passing is overrated around here. It's my opinion, you disagree which is fine. Not the first or last time me and you disagree about something.
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He's been over-rated in this thread by being called one of the best distributing point guards in the league. He's been over-rated by all the all-star talk of two years ago.

Point is he's never put together an entire season as a starting point guard, nor has he won anything. He doesn't put up great numbers, doesn't defend well and doesn't assert himself offensively. Kinda sounds like Chris Duhon, and yet we're hyping as if he's a lot more=over-rated.
Chris Duhon, the defensive-minded pg that couldn't shoot the three?
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Old 01-07-2011, 10:42 AM   #189 (permalink)
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He's been over-rated in this thread by being called one of the best distributing point guards in the league. He's been over-rated by all the all-star talk of two years ago.

Point is he's never put together an entire season as a starting point guard, nor has he won anything. He doesn't put up great numbers, doesn't defend well and doesn't assert himself offensively. Kinda sounds like Chris Duhon, and yet we're hyping as if he's a lot more=over-rated.
Well, he's better then Duhon at least offensively. But I agree with most of what you said.
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Chris Duhon, the defensive-minded pg that couldn't shoot the three?
You know what's funny about that, Jose can shoot.....but he needs to grow a pair and fuckin' shoot! You know how many times in a game I see the ball passed around and it comes back to him and instead of taking what is a high percentage shot he dribbles and dribbles and looks around to pass it when the clock is ticking and nobody is really open. It's frustrating. It reminds me of when I used to watch leaf games and Kaberle would never shoot.
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You know what's funny about that, Jose can shoot.....but he needs to grow a pair and fuckin' shoot! You know how many times in a game I see the ball passed around and it comes back to him and instead of taking what is a high percentage shot he dribbles and dribbles and looks around to pass it when the clock is ticking and nobody is really open. It's frustrating. It reminds me of when I used to watch leaf games and Kaberle would never shoot.
lol... kind of true. but who's kaberle... you duckin' puckhead... lol
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lol... kind of true. but who's kaberle... you duckin' puckhead... lol
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Well, he's better then Duhon at least offensively. But I agree with most of what you said.
The point I was making was that he's not the star Raps fans have historically made Jose out to be and is more suited to the backup PG role, as when he was given the reigns to a team he didn't really stand out. He's shown spurts here and there but really hasn't earned anything...much like Jose.
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I think his passing is overrated around here. It's my opinion, you disagree which is fine. Not the first or last time me and you disagree about something.
No, I think you talk out of your ass most of the time and don't really know much about basketball to back you up.

I'd love to see you actually defend your viewpoint for once instead of relying on some idiotic emoticon.
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He's been over-rated in this thread by being called one of the best distributing point guards in the league. He's been over-rated by all the all-star talk of two years ago.

Point is he's never put together an entire season as a starting point guard, nor has he won anything. He doesn't put up great numbers, doesn't defend well and doesn't assert himself offensively. Kinda sounds like Chris Duhon, and yet we're hyping as if he's a lot more=over-rated.
That was 2 years ago.

The way I look at the PG position is pretty simple.

Does he hurt me offensively? Does he get the ball to the right people? Does he run the offence?

Again I will say, that pair him up with a stud 2 or 3 and he's fine. We've put WAY WAY WAY too much emphasis on PG's yet really the last team to win an NBA Championship were the Lakers and they had Derek Fisher at PG.

You win in this league with a pretty simple formula. Have a dominant big and have a dominant wing player. As nice as Chris Paul, Steve Nash and Deron Williams are they haven't won anything in their careers. All they do is allow you to cheap out on talent elsewhere as they have the ability to elevate the play of others but not win rings.

Dominant big and dominant wing work. It's proven time and time and time again.

That's why I don't see why there's all this fuss over Calderon. He does what a PG is SUPPOSED to do. Get other guys going offensively. He isn't assertive on offence because he plays the position like a textbook. I have absolutely NO problem with that. It's his job.

My biggest knock on Calderon is he's never been healthy.

It's not his defence. When he's pushing himself, he's decent. Put him in a strong defensive system and you'd likely not notice him.

Jose is NOT the problem on this team. I can list a slew of bigger problems on this team.
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No, I think you talk out of your ass most of the time and don't really know much about basketball to back you up.

I'd love to see you actually defend your viewpoint for once instead of relying on some idiotic emoticon.
Dude, my view point on this is well documented and I've stated it several times and what I'm saying shouldn't exactly be shocking to you since it's been said by other people as well numerous times. It's nothing new. I've said he's overrated around here and why I think so. Don't like it or disagree with it good for you, but to say that I don't know much about basketball because you disagree with me.....seriously, get over yourself. Why the fuck would I have to defend my opinion to you anyway?
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Jose may not be the problem, but he's also not the solution right now. We already have Bargnani as the player who is only good on one side of the ball. And considering that position is C, when we need to protect him as much as possible. We need to get Jerryd Bayless more PT at PG to see what he's got.
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Jose is NOT the problem on this team. I can list a slew of bigger problems on this team.
He's not really helping us, but he's not the biggest problem either. I dont' disagree with that. We're a mess right now and I've been pining for a dominant wing player for years...and that's precisely why I don't want to pay 8mill+ for Jose...it's money that needs to be spent on the SG position. Obviously it's not as easy as simply allotting money for one...but BC has never put an emphasis on that position...he's been big and PG and hasn't filled either spot with the ideal candidate.
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Why the fuck would I have to defend my opinion to you anyway?
do you really need to ask why points of view are more credible when backed by evidence?
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do you really need to ask why points of view are more credible when backed by evidence?
Evidence? I've stated numerous times I think his passing skills are overrated here and why. Agree or disagree, it's an opnion. Someone else on here has stated he's overrated, why don't you ask him for evidence on his opinion.
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